i was there for this and if you listen carefully me and my friend are screaming in the background i am trying to get my word out as much as possible and if Andrew Meyer reads this contact me because i will testify in court

oh and i also sat at the police station for 45 minutes after this and they refused to give me information, its also quite funny to read what fox news had to say about this, after you watch the video

That was unbelievable. I hope those cops all lose there jobs. Has anyone else heard of the first admendment? That was F’d up. And, thank God… Kerry is not our President. What a piece of shit.

I just watched this video and I’m appalled at this student’s behavior. I really hope that this individual’s actions does not reflect on the rest of the University of Florida. In my opinion, Mr. Meyer’s actions were completely out of line and extremely disrespectful to Mr. Kerry. I’m very interested to see how this turns out, and I hope this will not affect other public leaders coming to visit our university.

@AJ.

One million people dead in Iraq is appalling. Five hundred billion dollars of our tax dollars spent on the military anually is appalling. Carrying a federal debt we can barely afford to pay the interest on is appalling. Nine trillion in the hole is appalling. A weak dollar is appalling. A collapsing prison system is appalling. GMO crops in mass production with no public dialogue and no label is appalling. Stolen elections are appalling. Habeas Corpus gone bye-bye appalling. The mockery of our constitution under the guise of protection is appalling.

You my friend, are appalled by the wrong things. Please wake up.

If we lose our freedom of speech.. our FIRST amendment rights.. what is next? Will we not stand up for anything we believe in? That is all Mr. Meyer was trying to do. When did it become illegal to not be able to control your emotions? I was sickened to see a young man being held on the ground by four officers, pleading to leave peacefully and not to be tased.. only to be tased and arrested.

There will be a protest tomorrow at UF in the Plaza of the Americas between 12-1. In one video, you can see groups of people trying to help Andrew, but the cops make them step back. People did not just sit idly by…Kerry should have said something. I can’t believe he just talked like nothing happened.

I hope jobs are lost and lawsuits are filed.

We need to stop this police brutality which is a deliberate threat to all of us.

We no longer have a democracy. Venezuela does. This is a police state. Kerry is another fat cat phony. Were he a man he would have demanded the police stop attacking a student only because his questions were passionate. Kerry dropped the ball in OHIO Representative Conyers proved it. Greg Palast is a great reporter.
Keep fighting these neo nazi.

Susan – Andrew Meyer is a close friend of mine. My number is 843-816-5337. Please call.

Please contact the ACLU and please get all Media on this A.S.A.P

Ask a question get tasered. Police state america.

Mr. Meyer was way to full of himself in the way he pushed Kerry. He had a good question and set it up well and then he never gave Kerry a chance to respond. He just went over the top with a run-on rant. I hope he learns something from this about how to rein in his tendency to overpower people with his rant.

That being said, the police acted like pigs. They had already warned him and when he didn’t respond by cutting his rant short, they acted like storm troopers. Cops just don’t like to be ignored. I hope someone tazers the freaking pig that used the tazer on Meyer. Meyer has grounds for a lawsuit and I hope he sues their ass off.

When I see video’s like this I’m sooo glad I’m not an American. You guys have no freedom of speech, no privacy and a government that is controlled by the corporations – I see the USA as a warning to the rest of the “free” world of what not to become.

Wake up Americans! We now live in a society where fear mongering has given way to a police state, where the Ministry of Information controls what you say or do, and especially what you say or how you act. The leaders in our government today disregard the Constitution of the United States and treat it as just a relic and they do not abide by the Constitutional principles of this nation.

We now live in a communist nation where any questionable thinking is dealt with the use of quick and powerful force. Notice how when the speaker questioned Spendator Kerry about his involvement with the Yale secret society SKULL and BONES of which Mr. Bush is a part of, -immediately thereafter, the thought police intervened and began restraining him and pulling him away. The young speaker was not making any moves to warrant the use of force at that point in time yet he was pulled and yanked away when he mentioned Skull and Bones. Why?

Because the people in charge, dare I say other Bonesman that control this government don’t want you to hear about Kerry’s involvement in Skull and Bones and anyone else’s involvement for that matter, why because it will spoil the surprise! What surprise? Well America has been given over, ladies and gentleman we no longer live in a free state but rather in a state SABOTAGED before our very eyes right underneath us with the use of fear and spin tactic, rhetoric and deception. American jobs have gone overseas, we fight a war with soldiers we don’t have for a reason that doesn’t exist and all the whole while the United States has been slowly crumbling, her moral fiber degenerated and high ideals and freedoms slowly plundered as we move toward a militaristic police state and eventually a one world government governed by the UN. Its already happening but everyone is asleep… Watch out for these things to come: Super highway joining Mexico, Canada and the US run by Mexico; the formation of the “Amero” a North American monetary system that will replace the dollar which will have absolved the Mexican debt; Already in progress: China bought out much of the US Debt and foreclosures in our real estate meltdown, Saudis have billions in US stock and investments, jobs taken by transnational companies overseas, US Hard currency bought by China and resold to US…
the list is endless. Wake up Americans! I love you all dearly and my fellow countrymen but we must wake up and perhaps we can somehow salvage our nation at least. We can forget about our position in the world however…

Even so-Maranatha!

Nice Theatrics

I can’t believe that John Kerry made a joke during this incedent, listen close he jokes about Meyers not coming up there to swear him in as president! Kerry is a piece of S**T!

I would have used my right to bear arms by throwing a right hook into his face. Maybe it would have knocked him out and we wouldn’t have had to hear his little girl voice scream out in pain. If you feel your man enough to speak out, act like a man when facing the repurcussions, whether right or wrong, for your actions.

This is what I refer to as little brother syndrome. Speak out in anger, but then run and hide behind Mom(ACLU).

It was a “normalisation” action. Incredible that the other guys did not saud anything! I hope that these cops will go straightaway on trial. Solidariety from Italy.

And I thought you were the Land of the Free.
Honestly, shit like this (and the lack of a free universal health care system) is what keeps me from moving to the US. You’re becoming a police state, guys. Time to wake up, maybe?? Had i been present at that time, i would have given a headbutt to the first policeman i got in range. Period. No matter the ripercussions. And honestly, some of you should have done the same, instead of standing and watching. I can smell lawsuits, and i hope to see that pigs in jail soon.

Wanna leave the US? Feel free to come to Italy. We got plenty of room for you, nice girls, good food, and the beer is in the fridge.

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Finally you are to understand your contry is not so free as you thougt.
World wide war and free speach repressive

This isn’t about free speech!! He acted irrational, immature, and a bit unstable. He resisted arrest, plain and simple. He should be lucky he didn’t get the night stick. What a whiney little bitch…..dont taze me bro!!

Quit making this into a free speech debate. Some liberals just don’t know how to let go…

I think police can’t to arrest a person only for disrespectful or nervous!!!! If so, millions of drivers in Italy must to be arrested!!!

Free Andrew, now.

This is a travesty!

Yet ANOTHER person taken down for free speech! Kerry was even saying that he would answer his question; and the police till took him down using UN-needed force.

Those officers should be punished.

I believed USA was the country of freedom, exporting democracy all over the world.

This is impossible to accept. If you can do something, do it. Always free. Free Andrew.
From Italy, Andrea

Andrea from Italy, how is this impossible to except? He RESISTED ARREST by kicking, screaming, and throwing his arms around? The police told him to stop, he resisted arrest. BTW, hows the pizza over there?

What you whiny liberal whackos fail to realize is that free speech does not give you the right to be disruptive assholes. The 2004 election is old news. Bush won, for better or worse, now get over it. Had this idiot simply asked Kerry the question instead of rambling on like a psychotic crack head maybe he would have gotten an answer. When he was asked to stop he should have done what he was told. When the police arrived he should have went with them peacefully. They probably would have let him go outside. Instead, he chose to resist. For all you internet “he-men” out there who said you would have had his back or head butted the nearest cop, get a life. You would have done no such thing. You would have gotten your ass kicked and be in jail for a multitude of charges including battery on a law enforcement officer.

Jack Bauer, can you explain me what has he been arrested for, then? Because i really can’t see the reason. One policeman tried to silence him already after his first question, and it seems to me that he has been very polite and respectful from the very beginning.
Kicking? screaming? ‘Throwing his arms around’? Please watch the movie again. What would you do if they’d try to arrest you without any reason? Nothing??
And the pizza is good, btw. Come taste for yourself.

Dear John, don’t worry: i have a life. and it looks like you are getting the Nation you deserve.
When this will happen to you, write me an e-mail, if you have access to the internet from the cell.

Good luck.

Piazza Maggiore, Bologna, 8 September 2007
(www.beppegrillo.it -IT/EN-)
“Today marks the start of the new Renaissance forged by Italians. On 8 September 1943, the Royals scuttled off to Pescara. Behind them they left Italy in a shambles. Today nothing has changed. Parliament is occupied by unauthorized people chosen by Party secretaries. They no longer scuttle away – they don’t need to. They live in a world apart, with body guards and television. Politician – a term that is no longer worth a fig. Professional politicians. Professional unlawful ones. Not like those who help you park cars, the windscreen washers and the whores, They are the unauthorized ones. Nobody elected them. They have taken away our freedom to vote for a candidate.
I do not want the parties to decide who is to be elected to Parliament. Nor even that the Ministers are surprises in our Easter eggs. Before the voting, we want to know who will occupy the Ministries and who will be the Minister of Justice. If they pick Mastella, then let them vote for him. Let them elect him. Let them go along to the pay-as-you-go Primaries.
THEM, the enchantment of delegation. THEY WILL THINK OF EVERYTHING.
It is YOU LOT who have to take back your life into your own hands. It is you who must do politics everyday – in the supermarket, at school, at the work place, at the traffic lights, in the midst of nature, in your apartment block.
There is no one over the wall on the other side. If you knock at the door, it will stay closed. Stop believing the newspapers and television that just pump out lies. The banks, the media, politics, big business are all the same. The same people. There is a dragon gobbling up our country that makes you believe what it wants. That goes down on bended knees to interview timed-out criminals, members of the Mafia, the corrupted and those who do the corrupting. At the wave of a wand it transforms them into honest persons, statesmen. But all they are is paltry scoundrels who, in any other country, would have to hide their heads in shame! What example will you give to your children? Take these examples, Corona, Previti, the psycho-dwarf, Pomicino, Ricucci, Fiorani in his underpants, Geronzi the new President of Mediobanca who decides what will happen to the country’s finances! The more disgusting you are, the more you are famous? The more crimes you have chalked up to you, the greater your success? Is this what you want?
Amato the minister says he is worried that if the Left wing in the government doesn’t give a decisive shift in relation to public order, there will be a “return to fascism”.
Amato, Craxi’s Treasurer, who never knew anything, who was always closeted in his office reading documents. That great fat hog was stashing away billions abroad and he didn’t know.
Where were you hanging out, Amato, that year when you released 26,000 criminals from the jails? You did it to prevent your accomplices, the public administrators, the wide boys in politics ending up behind bars. Don’t tell me you do not know about it. And now you are talking about a return to fascism. Of a security summit. Here there is no return to fascism, nothing but a swing towards common sense, nothing but the swing of a boot up the arse for those who voted for the Great Pardon. We know their names and their surnames. We will do them all at the next elections. These people sitting on the parliamentary benches must never again return. How many deaths, how many rapes, how many thefts has this Great Pardon brought about? Who is paying the price? Will it be perhaps that Minister of Caste and Injustice – for this is Mastella’s true title – who will be selling his apartments in Rome to compensate the family in Gorgo al Monticano?
The whole kettle of fish stinks to high heaven, the stench rises from the sewers and swirls around and you can’t cope. You live the whole time holding your nose. I want to sniff again the fresh winds of life, We need to unblock the manhole covers. Clean air and pure water. In our own lives and the life of the Res Publica. Piazza Maggiore is crowded to the gills with a throng of one hundred thousand, one hundred and fifty thousand people? 220 Italian cities and twenty cities in the world outside are on the same wavelength with us. This is the first time that it has come to pass. It is the magic of the Internet, of information freed from its bonds, it is our Woodstock for the rule of law. At least 300,000 people have signed today for a New Renaissance, for a law of popular initiative, a law to restore dignity to Parliament on three fronts:
- no to felons in parliament,
- no to political professionals, a couple of terms of office and then back to their jobs,
- yes to direct representation.
The signatures needed were all forthcoming in the space of one morning. People queued up for hours and were pleased to do so, just so that they could sign. I will take this draft law into Parliament and read it and we shall be eyeball to eyeball with anyone who opposes it.
This is a country of constitutional subjects. We are allowed to vote but only from among persons whom the parties choose. Sometimes we are allowed to say no to a law through a referendum. There is no referendum for draft laws that are floated. But when it comes down to it, the parties could not care less about the results of referenda. When the electoral law of 2005 was created, the Centre Right threw down the memory tube the results of the 1992 referendum.
In the Middle Ages, we had more rights than we have today. This is why a New Renaissance is necessary. Life lies in your hands. Politics is there to create happiness, hopes for the future and beauty.
Hopes of being able to find work, creativity, and hope for the family.
They have stolen the future from a whole generation. They have rendered them slaves to regulations. 25,000 persons have written to me explaining the misery they experience at work where they earn €4 per hour, two months at work and then back home again. I have gathered together all the testimony in the form of a book. Joseph Stiglitz, who won the Nobel Prize in Economics, wrote: “What is the use of sending your children to study at University to have them tossing the fried potatoes? Save the money you would have spent on a university degree for them!” And then there’s Ichino who quotes a forged article which I did not write in the Corriere della Sera. He slung the term of terrorist at me. Now, do you hear me? I issued the invitation, but I do not see you and there is only one thing that I am going to say to you and it is “up yours!” There are more than five million people in precarious employment in Italy. Are we going to put our heads in the sand and pretend there are none? Are we going to wait until the figure gets to ten million, or twenty million if you will? There is a terrible truth that no one will utter. There is not enough work. And when there is not enough work to go round, we have rules that regulate precarious employment. Our lads have no choice, so what do they do? They emigrate. If there were a proper labour market, the laws governing precarious employment would remain stillborn. The captains of industry would be forging documents in order to hire an engineer or a technician.
In our Woodstock what we have is people who want a different Italy, a true Bel Paese or Fair Land if you will, a land of people who do not tell lies and to whom nobody tells lies either. Let us set off now and we shall never stop.
Today is going to be truth and music.
Together we shall do it! There are so many of us, millions, and all we have to do is wake from a drugged sleep, so that we can smile at life and be happy at the thought of a New Renaissance.”

He resisted because it was absurd for him to be dragged out and arrested for asking questions. There were other ways of removing Meyers from the room without arrest and tasering. We’re so quick to throw people in a jail cell and steal their lives for nothing. That just oozes freedom doesn’t it? And since when does getting out of line justify arrest and a taser to the stomach?

Hooray freedom. I feel so much safer knowing that a cop can taser me if I speak up and get slightly out of line. They are definately keep society safer by taking an educated college student to jail for questioning our government.

That’s great. Can we taser these cops when they get out of line? What shifted in this country that allows cops to live outside of the law?

I think the moral of this video is, get in line sheep, or we’re going to come for you. I seem to remember another system doing this… I think they were called Nazis?

While there are worst things going on in the world, if we keep letting little things like this slip, next thing you know we’ll all be good little robots, or dead.

Its easy to see based on the length of the responses who the liberals are. They obviously have no jobs and no employable skills, hence the long replies, otherwise they would be at work actually doing something instead of trying to mooch off the hard working conservative.

“When he was asked to stop he should have done what he was told.” – John.

Uhm, what part of freedom involves doing what i’m told. He should suffer because he’s passionate about his questions and his one and only opportunity to ask them? I hope you end up in jail one day for asking a question, so you can feel robbed, then maybe you’ll change your tune.

But probably not, because apparently YOU do what you’re told.

Have a nice life sheep, I hope the flock leads you to something wonderful.

Listen to me carefully: I can’t stand it any longer to live in a State like this. One in which a young man aged 18, Federico Aldrovandi, stopped by four police officers, beaten up, dies for no reason.
Afterwards nothing is known. The young man killed himself on his own. The Questor and the Chief prosecutor don’t lift a finger. Two cudgels, broken to break his life. Kicks in the face while he’s on the ground.
The patrol that stopped Federico was made up of Monica Segatto, Paolo Forlani, Enzo Pontani, Luca Pollastri. Where are they now?
Are they still getting a salary? The one that is paid for by the parents of Federico, that we too pay them, to have their protection?
The truth wouldn’t have been known if the Minister of the Interior Giuliano Amato had not met up with Federico’s father and seen the photos of the bloodied body of his son. A week later Questor Elio Graziano was transferred.
Documents have been interfered with. Witnesses, because there were witnesses, have kept quiet because of fear, apart from a lady from Cameroon. Honour to you signora.
An appeal to the Police: don’t allow it to happen again that there are others like Federico.

Dear Matteo,

I’m not dumb enough to get myself into the trouble this guy got himself into. I’m not quite sure what you mean by “getting the Nation you deserve” though. Does the U.S. have problems? Absolutely. But, calling the U.S. a police state is just moronic. If it is so bad here why do so many people continue to come?

where is the democracy????
greetings from Italy

Incredible! is this America the land of freedom?
For a point of view of an italian or an Europen this is shocking,brutal,inhuman, this is fascism.
I think you’d better review your way to stay in society before tell the world how and what is freedom.
Arresting and torture (because this is torture) a young student in front of all his friends is INHUMAN. In front of your potential sx President. Good Luck America.

Oh please this is not a freedom of speach issue. The kid was acting like an idiot, not too mention asking dumb questions, and got tased. Man up, its not like he got shot! Maybe next time he’ll ask a well thought out question, stick to the time limit, and maybe move along when he was asked to instead of fighting with the police!

The kid got what he deserved, you people just want someone to blame for the sake of blaming people. OMG did someone really get tased for fighting with police?!?!?! Ahh thats against the constitution! Ohh wait…no its not.

USA = SHAME

are you italian fucks serious?

criticizing the US for a police state?

If i recall correctly, all you jerkoffs were playing nazi not too long ago because it was easier than fighting, bunch of pussies.

Forget politics, stick to making spaghetti.

watching this video from Europe..really upset about cops behaviour..as well as the fact that NO student moved or protested for what was happening..and even worse that Kerry didn’t say anything at all..and far worse all the stupid, fascists aned macho comments on this forum.. after Bush i’m really afraid of what u.s.a. have become..you must learn democracy back from page 1, sorry

Dear John, for my standards the U.S. is becoming a police state. Maybe you are just too used to the situation.
Sometimes you must look at things from the outside, to see them clearly; i wish you could make a long trip to Europe, to look around at how things are here and make some first-hand comparisons.

Why do so many people continue to come to the U.S., you ask me? I don’t know, maybe they come from countries where the situation is even worse than in the U.S., or they think they could make more money than they can make where they live… or maybe they watch too many movies and they believe there’s still an American Dream to live.

It’s not my case, John. I live in Italy, i have a good job, a nice family, and despite what you might have watched on Fox News, it’s true, it’s not exactly like being on a pleasure cruise everyday, to live here, but trust me, i feel we have far more freedom than you guys do. And, look, i’m sorry to say that, because i have no reasons to hate your country. On the contrary, i have many reasons to love it, i have so many relatives and friends over there and i have spent a wonderful time there no longer than 20 days ago.

I sincerely wish you guys good luck.

for the freedom of speech and against every form of repression. Free Andrew Meyer, now!

Solidarity from Rome, Italy.

“The kid was acting like an idiot, not too mention asking dumb questions, and got tased. Man up, its not like he got shot! Maybe next time he’ll ask a well thought out question, stick to the time limit” – Pierce

What does well thought out questions have to do with police brutality? Acting like an idiot and asking dumb questions does not justify getting tackled and tasered. Maybe if the kid asked Kerry if he owned a bunny rabbit when he was a kid that would have been a government safe question.

And did you actually watch the video? I’ve never seen anyone conduct a fight with their hands in the air getting shoved towards a door. Anyone with any sense would have been freaked out by being dragged out of a room for asking a question. But to say he was “fighting” with the cops is flat out retarded. There was no fists thrown by Meyers. He didnt shove any cops down, and he didn’t tase one of them.

And with 8 cops there, they couldnt get hand cuffs on someone that wasn’t even resisting. How pathetic. I guess I should remember that this happened in the same state that allowed a polie officer to get away with tasing and killing a 6 year old girl. I forgot that the Florida Police are so weak and frail that the only way to handle a situation is to tase someone.

Is it also safe to assume you’ve never asked a dumb question in your life? If you did, when you asked that dumb question, was there a group of people there to tackle and tase you? I think not. Maybe there should have been, then you’d take a little more offense to this.

To Jack Bauer, who wrote: “Quit making this into a free speech debate. Some liberals just don’t know how to let go…” and to all you who say there is nothing wrong with what happened and that Meyer is acting like a ‘little bitch’:

You know what? I’m not a “democrat” if that’s what you mean by liberal, but I AM willing to be liberal if it means changing the way this country works. You’re right, some people like me DON’T know how to let go of our liberties because we actually are willing to fight for them, as opposed to people like you who are told what to do and follow every order government officials give you. Watch enough TV so that you don’t have to think about the way the USA is progressing, put nearly half the money you earn into the general fund spent on a war specifically designed to load up the pockets of the wealthy, but just make sure you NEVER question the authority of the politicans and police officers or you WILL be harmed. So when the police start knocking on your door making sure you have a form of ID implanted in your arm so the Fed can know where you are, what you’re eating/drinking, who you’re with, etc.etc., don’t come crying like a “little bitch” to us, because we will have actually FOUGHT for a MEANINGFUL cause instead of hiding in the gargantuan asshole that is the Fed.

On a side note, John Kerry is pathetic…horrible candidate for president, horrible leader (not helping Meyer), horrible character (cracking joke on a man getting tazed), horrible person in general.

I’m sorry… but when you are in front of a Senator who you know is surrounded by police and security you need to learn how to compose yourself (and I don’t even like the guy). These people do not know you from the next guy. Once your mic was cut off you should have done the mature thing and walked away. Once you became combative and resorted to profanities you got what was coming to you. Years ago I might have agreed with you and the majority of the students but eventually we all grow up. I’m sure I will get slammed by posters for my comments but that is the beauty of being able to have free speech (but as you can see this is a controlled environment – I can throw a little fit and start bugging out if my post is deleted but no one will be the wiser).

I love how these comments became so political. We have people supposedly from Italy and the U.K. posting here about how we lost “democracy”. Obviously your schools have failed you. I would suggest you look up our history and exactly what “democracy” is.

You only have your freedom of speach if you do it from a hiding hole. Don’t speak out in front of anyone though. Apparently you’ll get tasered.

Dear Jim, do you want to ‘export democracy’ to our countries?

Can we at least abandon the fallacy that the police arrested and tasered Andrew because of what he said? That has to be the single biggest misconception in this entire debate.

The police attempted to escort him out when it was obvious that his contributions to the forum were being disruptive. When he physically resisted the officers, they attempted to arrest him. When he continued to resist their attempts to arrest him, they used a taser.

Nothing the police did has anything to do with freedom of speech. They used a gradual escalation of force because his actions — physically resisting at every moment of the confrontation — required them to take those steps.

And for the posters from Italy who are shocked by this event, which apparently moves the US from the “Free State” to the “Police State” categories, you’re apparently astonishingly unaware of what constitutes a real police state.

he was not tasered because he spoke out. We was tasered because he resisted the police. It wasn’t like he asked a question the cops didn’t like it and shot him in the back.

American police is insane.

This is insane. Sue the cops, sue the university. Start a legal defense fund and I’m sure you’ll get enough contributions to get the best lawyers. Kerry is a tool of the establishment/power structure, he was told to run, then told to lose, even when he won. Then they let Bush in because he is also a tool. Wake up sheeple.

This is an outrage!!!! this is another example of how we are being gagged !!! WHERE IS OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH?????? This can happen to anyone who is speaking out seeking TRUTH!

…it’s impossible. He was speaking, He was not dangerous for nobody. All the students in that room should stand up immediatly against the cop…
nobody tell him “your time is finished!”
…the cop started to have contact with him, he start fearing…theese cops are very very stupid!
don’t accept this!!!! this is not normal!
…in a forum is normal that a cop want to escort a man???

Andrew Meyer WAS being a disruptive brat, but he was handled in a “tactical fashion”! Instead of treating Andrew with respect, he was treated as a criminal. However Andrew, when the cops gang up on you, SHUT UP. You can’t win this battle, and they will bully with force. Nail them later, and KEEP THOSE CAMERAS ON!

While the government may spy on us with cameras at stoplights and shopping centers, WE also need to record what’s going on. Officers with cameras in squad cars are more accountable for their behavior than those without, right? As are the people they pull over. It’s a modern version of an “eyewitness account” and it’s hard to argue with.

I have personally witnessed and been on the receiving end of “authorities with attitude”, and these officers in Florida were way out of line, but typical. There were so many of them, they actually MOBBED him. Why the hell do you think that most US citizens are at least afraid of the police, if not flat out not trusting them? Too many stupid thugs acquire jobs as authority figures that hand them power over others. And they were given PERMISSION!

Being brutal within the law is such a comfort for too many human beings, and always has been. From simple mobbing to pogroms against “others” whoever they are. And individuality suffers.

No wonder some of us dream of a real Gault Gulch!

Andrew, think about your actions, doing a chimpanzee thunder dance is not going to help you in a venue like a John Kerry speech. Be smarter next time, but keep at it, and thanks for caring.

Wish more kids were that passionate about politics, this country is a not what it was meant to be!

The USA is a Constitutional Republic, with a constitution written SPECIFICALLY to keep the “tyranny of democracy” at bay. Which is completely ignored and forgotten in the big bucks business of politics.

Democracy:
Two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner.

Representative democracy:
When the flock elects a wolf to decide what’s for dinner.

Federal Government:
The means by which the sheep will be fooled into voting for a Democracy.

Constitutional Republic:
Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and the sheep are armed.

Freedom:
Two very hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very well-informed and well-armed sheep!

Discussed and borrowed from this website…
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/05/08/09/ladylib.htm

More “soapbox”:
http://www.freedomtofascism.com
http://www.ronpaul2008.com
http://www.lp.org

A liberal speaker John Kerry, a liberal university officials, using the police system to their benefit to silence anyone who disagrees or causes disruption. This is the state we could be in if the far left (Moveon, Hillary, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) get power. You support them and they silence you.

In anothers words “A hipping getting tasered, at a hippie event, for heckling another hippie, while hippies in the audience scream.”

This guy is a dumbass, not a freedom fighter. For one, know when to shut up. Ranting like an idiot endlessly does not add credit to your cause. Secondly, what? You honestly think that struggling with law enforcement is going to improve your situation? What are they gonna look at you struggling and say, “You know what? You are absolutely right! We should just let you go!” Of course not. Now, does that make the police’s response to this situation valid? Absolutely NOT, however, the law of the land is, if you are gonna act like a jackass, you get what jackasses get. Which in this case is a LIGHT tasering. Believe me, if they had got him for real he’d have shut up immediately.

He rambled like a nut-case and got tazered.
He is nut-case, leftist, chuckle-head with tazer scares. Go figure, he is a journalist.

UF’92

freedom of speech garanties we don’t go to jail when we speak our opinion!!!!!!!!!

As a WWII/Cold War veteran, both military and civilian, the student was well within his rights to speak up and ask questions. After all, he is a journalism major…What occurred reminds me very much of the tactics of the damn Nazi and/or soviet hardliners and their ‘authoritariatic’ minders. It also reminds me of a movie starring Charles Laughton who played a character, a teacher, who stood up to the Nazis and ‘told ‘em off’ before he was executed. The police in this case were wrong, right from the get-go. Iowa Lad used to be a Republican, he’s now an Independent, a firm believer in the ideals of our Founding Fathers, defending soil and sovereignty, and George Washington’s sage advice about ‘avoiding entanglement in unnecessary foreign engagements’…..after years in the ‘foreign affairs community’ that sage advice was long ago forgotten. The ‘rule of law’ must also be accompanied by those in charge with the “rule of common sense”. That used to be the way it was before the damn authoritarians and bureaucrats partisan political types took over. As to those cops, they should be fired, and they and their superiorss, including campus ahtorities which allowed this incident to occur, sued to the hilt.

No – these cops don’t deserve to lose their jobs. They deserve to lose their livelihood and face criminal charges.
Wishing Andrew a swift recovery!

Freedom of speech gives us the right to speak our minds, that is true, but there are also protections in place to ensure that this is done in a non-disruptive manner. This guy was being disruptive and asked to cease. He did not and the situation escalated. Look at the situation objectively and all of the sudden it’s not about free speech.

Why are all these neocons posting here? Don’t they need to go blow their preachers?

But who ordered the police? Who shut down you microphone when you asked the questions? Whey did Kerry just continue his speech meanwhile the police continued to tortured you in the hall? Why didn’t the University of Florida stop the police? Why, why????

Typical liberal comment. Just like at the Kerry speach. If you do not like what is said get vulger or get rid of your trouble.

Andrew Meyer, you ROCK! I say that because you did not let your voice be stiffled by oppressive forces. Though I do believe (IMHO) that was the wrong forum to debate thinks like Skull and Bones or a F*cked up election process, your questions are still valid and you had all the right in our country to ask them.

What the F*CK was wrong with all of the students watching this take place? Are they scared to do anything? Did they believe Andrew was wrong and needed to be taken down a peg? In the 60’s with non-violent protesting there were more students actively participating as Andrew did.

It is sad to hear that Andrew was possibly cited for “inciting a riot”. There was no need to bully this gentleman when it could have been kept at a level of professionalism on all sides. Why didn’t Senator Kerry step up for Andrew, as a citizen, as an american, and as a student.

He did not rush the stage, he did not try to hurt anyone in the room, he only wanted to do what his heart and teaching gave him, journalism.

GOD BLESS YOU ANDREW AND EVERYONE WHO STANDS UP FOR THEIR BELIEFS. MAY YOUR VOICES NOT BE STIFFLED!

forgive my gramatical or spelling errors

-Outsider

yes, there were people yelling in the background. but why the hell didn’t anyone step in to try to control the situation? people were too scared to stand up and get involved. some UF faculty should have helped andrew as he was detained by 5 police officers.

Liberal politicians, liberal leaders, do not want to hear the voices of their sheep they just want them to follow. When they do talk out they get silenced.
Try going to any liberal debate and ask tough questions and see how long you last.

NO He was not the NEXT questioner he was behind the last person and pushed that person away to request that he be allowed to speak. Kerry acknowledged him and let him continue and in stead of 1 question he had several and was told that questions werelimited to one at which point he continued and started his tiraid and disobeying the people in charge and the police.
His being tazzered is a result of his own actions and instead of making excuses for this 6 foot 2 student he should be admonished for his misbehavior and punished

I like to talk about stool.

This person was asked to leave after causing a disruption and refused to leave, thereby committing trespassing, and when escorted out, broke away from the cops and began going crazy. He refused to respect the authority of the cops and thus the only measure he would respond to, force, occurred. He was clearly warned, and lashed out at the cops ripping his hands free and telling them to “get the fuck off me.” I respect the law and let the cops do their job, unlike this disturbed, uncivil person.

I have found radical leftist viewpoints to be more bully-like and less concerned about humanity than they claimed. Liberals like Michael Moore, Al Gore, John Kerry, Moveon.org, the vanguard of liberal/left sanctimony are more interested in pushing a leftist agenda than actually doing anything productive. And will try to remove or publicly smear anyone that gets in the was wheather they are a supporter or not.

I think the questioner is a delusional idiot (politically), but I do NOT think his behavior in ANY WAY warranted removal. I don’t think people should have force used on them when all they are doing is asking a long question; I mean I don’t think he was even at the microphone for more than about a minute. Don’t we all deserve two minutes of microphone time?

How many volts is it gonna take until whinny anti-authoritarian liberals (I claim that this ’student’ is liberal) realize that the voting box is how you win…not discourse and disrespect?

Though I disagree with the force the police used, the student was out of line in his questioning. The rules were set, he broke them, he then began to get belligerent with the police who were trying to escort him out of the hall. If he had been a gentlemen about it, nothing would have happened, and he would not have been tasered. Actions have consequences, and this is not a free-speech issue. He was able to speak, and it was only AFTER he began to ramble and grandstand that he was asked to leave.

what a dumb ass.. taze him again, bro!

i really got saddened by the fact that this is becoming a fight between italian and american people on wich country is better……. what happened is damn serious,wherever it happened…..it’s freedom in the trash can,that’s what it is….. wish the best for Andrew Meyer…. let em pay!!!

I haven’t felt this outraged since the 2000 “election”. This is a disgusting example of police brutality in the U.S. It’s further proof that University students, especially those with opinions, are viewed as nothing but pieces of crap who can get ripped off and be treated like second class citizens without any repercussions by college officials.

A signal was given by a University official when he wanted the questions to end. The police followed the queue and at that time took out Andrew. A liberal had a liberal taken out when it became uncomfortable for the more liberal speaker and the liberal cause in the liberal college to the liberal students.
Seen it before and will see it again. Lets go the the southern civil rights wars. It was the liberal good old boy democrats that did not like integration and tried to silence it just like last night. Get a brain and look around and back into history. It will happen again.

I notice that a number of the posters who are supporting the police response to Mr. Meyer’s action are incorrectly (or at least “inaccurately”) citing the applicable law. In Florida, as in almost every other U.S. state, the police do not have an unequivocal right to arrest someone, and anyone who is subjected to an unlawful arrest (i.e. an arrest that the police are not authorized by law to make) has a right to resist that arrest. In this situation it is difficult to see how Andrew committed an arrestable offense before he was accosted by the officers, so I would argue that he never even criminally resisted arrest since he had a right to resist. And as a final thought, why would any real American write that Andrew “deserved” to be tasered while he was being held down by no less than five police officers? There was no danger to the officers and no way that Andrew was going to “escape” at that point. To argue that the use of that level of force was justified in this situation suggests to me that the poster was just a sadist, not a conservative, law-abiding patriot as he wants to portray himself.

Ha ha ha ha.

It’s a big conspirasy. Time for the tin foil hats everyone.

Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame loser. This guy was obnoxious and deserves to be tazered just for attending UF.

Certain things spark up a heated debate with reference to ‘our’ first amendment right to free speech. I am always saddened when someone is seemingly forced to apologize for something he/she said in the public eye. Free speech is one of the many rights given to ‘us’ as Americans. Therefore, I say use it, but remember it is a right of free speech and not the right to be heard. Having said this, I feel that Andrew Meyer is a nappy headed ho!

Don’t we all deserve two minutes of microphone time?

Shouldn’t you ask that particular question of the student that this fellow pushed out of the way? It’s all about ME…typical. This guy acted like a spoiled child…and since his parents obviously never bothered to explain “manners” to this guy, he got a fast lesson in civility from the police. Forget firing the cops and suing the University…somebody oughta smack this kid’s parents.

I was really impressed by the people there, just seated. Bad story..

andrea from italy

You can watch a video of the entire confrontation …
http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

You people need to get a life and a JOB. Free speech does not mean you can trample all over everyone else’s rights. Free speech does not mean you are entitled to have your questions answered, regardless of the situation. Free speech does not mean you have a right to taunt, verbally abuse, or interrupt a public speaker. Free speech does not absolve good manners. This guy is a publicity seeking clown and all who are appalled by the police are his pawns. Let it go. He may not have wanted to be tased, but he certainly wants to be famous. That is what is wrong with our society now. We seek (and adore)celebrity – not success. No wonder the other two major stories on the news channels right now are Britney and OJ.

As an alumni of UCLA – where unfortunately a student was tasered in the library recently – I support Andrew and free speech. This morning, after reading the story and viewing the footage, I called and spoke to the UF President’s office and voiced my support for Andrew.

See – http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061117_tasered_ucla_student_lawsuit

What is wrong with your country, I’m sorry, but what the fuck is happening?
One thing is the police brutality, which is very very bad! Another is all the other students, just sitting there. Why didn’t they do anything?
It’s really an awful situation, I would like to know what John Kerry says about this.

Sarah from Denmark, (right next to Sweden and Germany), Scandinavia, Europe.

The event was obviously staged… The boy a two bit actor… The grandmother bit a hoax… The pony tailed cop never attended the police academy… The lines scripted and easy to remember… The charges of inciting a riot a big boo boo… The website slapped up for folks to visit… The clips a desperate attempt to manipulate the minds of the masses… The senator a poor example of a defender of the constitution… The student body a fine example of text book, laid back, brain dead bunch.

There was no real police burtality here. No real taser gun. Just drama a bunch of hungry students willing to make a few bucks on street theater.

Look how silly they look trying to terrorize us into believing one more dog and pony show.

Are you joking? “Disrespectful” to Mr. Kerry? Under the First Amendment I see no clause saying you have freedom of speech unless you’re being “disrespectful” to someone. Maybe free speech doesn’t entitle people to do whatever they want, but in no country should you be TASERED by law enforcement whilst being PEACEFUL! I love America, I’d rather live here than anywhere else, but the things I’ve seen go on here and conducted here by our “officials” makes me sick to my stomach.

Kudos to Susan for doing the obvious; trying to stop that madness. The sad thing is that we live in a culture where too many are afraid to do the same. Fear breeds apathy.

Can anyone say POLICE STATE? Stand up for OUR Rights! You rock Andrew!

BY THE WAY

The real person whom should hear from you is John Kerry. Write him. http://kerry.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm

Or send a real letter. Flood ‘em.

And Allen King: “Free speech does not mean you have a right to taunt, verbally abuse, or interrupt a public speaker. Free speech does not absolve good manners.”

Actually, it does mean those things. Sometime when you have a break from your job, you might want to look up what you’re talking about. Then repost, unless you think it’s not within your free speech rights.

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This IS NOT a first amendment issue and if you people spent your time in class instead of blogging for this loser you might understand that.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. The guy was repeatedly warned to stop resisting – that’s why he was tasered. Why don’t you put yourselves in the police officers shoes? For all they knew, this guy could have been another deranged lunatic packing heat just waiting to pull another VTech. Seriously, why don’t more people think before they type…

Let’s hope he spends some hours in lock up he is at fault! Let’s hope he is fined more than he has and get’s suspended or even expelled from school he is the problem, heck he was not tasered he was shocked there is a big difference. This guy is a complete tool, STFU!!!

Gross, disgusting, nauseating mis-use of power. The whole scene was absolutely eerie. Reminded me so much of Hitler and his regime.

Makes me scared to even live in this country.

John Kerry is a spineless, cowardly, freak. He could have easily called off the dogs, but he didn’t, because he wasn’t prepared to deal with passionate questioning.

I don’t even like George W., but I don’t think even he would have let that happen.

Kerry is not a man. The U.S. is slowly becoming a police state I’m getting the fuck out.

Hopefully this punk spends a few nights in jail and has a hefty fine to pay. The videos are clear to me, looks like he was resisting arrest. Peaceful? I hardly think. This ass-clown was setting a fantastic example for college students, now they all have some bullshit incident to protest and talk about instead of doing what they should be doing… learning!

It is unbelievable! what is happening in the US!
I live in Italy and here it seems we are in the 1000 and not in 2007, but when I think that US should represent the future???
Is this the future we are looking for?!
Restriction of human rights seems to be US future unfortunately!!!
Ciao

I thought the question was presented in a combative and disrespectful manner. John Kerry showed respect for the student where the student showed no respect for Mr. Kerry by the way he presented his question and no regard for authority.

This idiot should be locked up and heavily fined as an example….Respect should be shown when asking questions in a public forum. I’m guessing this youngster back talked his parents while growing up and walked all over them !

Who is this guy, Dane Cook? He wanted to make a scene, he taunted the police, and he got what he wanted: attention…and perhaps a bit of something he did not want. His tone from the beginning says it all, he was frantic from the start and was quite full of himself. This is the guy who stood on the corner with a “Harry Potter Dies!” sign when the last book came out. I wish he saw the same fate then.

“What are you going to do, arrest me?” Why yes, they are. You are at a political event, the police are right there, if you taunt them you will be escorted out, if you try to fight back physically by pulling away from them then they will do whatever it takes to get you under control. You can watch any episode of Cops to see why it is bad to resist, this isn’t exactly new ground people. He was not being peaceful, he was fighting every step of the way.

However, I agree that the people in the audience should not have sat there – they should have gotten up and kicked the guy in the head for being such a spoiled brat. Kerry treated him with respect by allowing him to ask his question AFTER the Dean had stated that the previous question about Iraq (which you can hear a bit of in the video) was the final question, so from the start he was out of line.

This is nothing new, this is nothing radical. This is boring. Well, not really boring, it was pretty damn funny to watch him get tasered. This kid has his 15 minutes, now stop whining – he got what he deserved!

Tasering?
The lad was a little….. rambunctious; a little impolite in his questions (no need for that), but tasering?
That was an aggressive force against an overly enthusiastic youth.
Tasering was… very anti-american behaviour
Or what I once thought was American behaviour.
Very sad.

I’m a former UF Gator living in Italy… Can’t believe.. that the more I see the states from abroad.. I get so disgusted with it..the excessive force was uncalled for.. Trying to silence the truth with excessive force is what the USA does best. I can’t believe how different it is here in Italy, Rome. FREE Andrew! Get the word out! It just shows how “The land of the free and opportunity” doesnt seem like that at all.. and then americans talk about countries such as Cuba and Venezuela.. Gessh… who’s the dictatorship now?
Move Abroad is all I can say! ALE

this issues has reached denmark.. personaly im shocked.. looks like something that could have happened in soviet or nazigermany.. certainly not an image that is appropriate for the only superpower left.

also, I hope Andrew sues the hell out of each one of those police rats..

@Paul: How is tasering “anti-american”?

Please leave your buzz words at the door and use your brain.

He was resisting, he would not stay on his stomach and kept trying to break free even while on the ground, as seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

He is not an “overly enthusiastic youth”. The correct term is “attention whore”.

He was not tasered for what he said to Kerry, he was fighting with the police. Had he not been such an attention whore and calmed down he would not have been tasered, simple as that.

And for everyone who is complaining about how bad the US “has become”

Are you all that oblivious?

This is not a freedom of speech issue!!

I want to express my solidarity to andrew for this free abuse. The news arrived also here in Italy and it really shocked me! I hope you’ll get justice (if you have still something similar to justice in the USA)!

PS: I don’t know who was worse during this happening, if the police, dachshund-face-Mr.Kerry or the audience which kept laughing and watching all the time.

Nobody’s 1st Amendment rights were violated. Seriously, did you learn ANY civics in school?

And Andrew…don’t resist arrest next time. You deserved the volts.

I’m appalled by what I’ve just seen.
I don’t think he resisted arrest, and certainly not in a violent way. He was obviously assaulted by the police first.
The depths democracy has sunk to in your country and mine (UK) saddens me deeply.
Sadly the UK is no better. Look what happened to Walter Wolfgang, or Brian Haw.
WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO PROTEST ANY MORE.

@Rob

Resisting an unjust arrest is patriotic, what’s disgusting is that no one helped.

-Jeff
WikiProtest

I think this whole situation is messed up. The cops definately used excessive force on Andrew. What were those cops doing at the poduium anyway? Did they have a question to ask Kerry? If they did, they should have waited politely for their turn. I can see having security on stage to protect him…but why at the microphone? It just seems strange.

It is sad to think that we cannot even exercise our first ammendment right…freedom of speech. Last time I checked, it wasn’t against the law to say blow job in front of a government official.

I wonder how it would have played out if Andrew was black? The headlines may have read…”UF Student Shot Dead for Asking Sen. Kerry a Question.”

@ Pete

You don’t think he resisted arrest? What the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

He clearly is resisting arrest the whole time, you cannot deny this.

Resisting arrest is patriotic now?

Buzz words are fun to use!

Meyer is nothing more than a bullying malcontent who got what he deserved. Let his ass sit in Jail for awhile and contemplate his childish behavior. It is unbelievable in this day and age what idiots some people act like, to get across their twisted opinion.

Hello!

that fuck face got what he deserved. he was trying to call attention to HIMSELF, asking bullshit questions like: “were you and bush in the ‘Skull and Bones’ secret society at Yale University.” I’m sure he was taping the whole thing for his Unfunny -ass website. THEN, after grappling with 5-6 cops, RESISTING THEM, he cries “dont taser me.” Andrew shouldve quit eating shit sooner, then his ass wouldnt have been tasered or JAILED.

please, if YOU plan on standing up against INJUSTICE, choose an issue that isnt a TOTAL joke.

- Arge

Police are allowed to use judgement and don’t have to do anything. They are supposed to be able to determine what is a threat and what is not. In this case, their judgement was wrong, very wrong and that is coming from someone who’s brother is cop. These so called cops were wrong to touch Meyer. And the stupid media doesn’t even explain to us that the Skull & Bones question was a valid one and that Kerry was associated with it. The stupid media are only showing us the take down and taser. Kerry was willing to answer it even. THE POLICE USED BAD JUDGEMENT and it scares me.

Ben

Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. This twerp got his opportunity to speak. He just did not get enough to satisfy him, so he felt it was his Constitutional right to fight the police? Your mother must be very proud of you and the money she throws away on your education.

I saw the video from Italy, in my opinion the questions were indisputable, because focused on something that a politician cant reveals. The only thing beyond the plate is that someone can obtain silence by brutality. Anyway i appreciated that someone can till get in the game

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250#videoid=157250

Better video angle, better audio – shows more of the crowd response and outrage.

What an attention whore. It’s like the flip side of Jeff Gannon and his famous White House briefing.

I especially like some tidbits from the full video that follows him into the hallway and down the stairs http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

“There are people who know I’m here…you can’t kill me”

“What did I do?”

“I didn’t think I’d need my ID for this.”

“Oh my God…they’re giving me the government”

“Anybody want to come along and make sure they don’t kill me?”

The shit he says in the hall that is missing from all the YouTube shots like referring to it first as a protest before later calling it a Kerry rally, when Kerry isn’t running, proves he planned the whole thing and wants to hype his website.

He is either a serious tool or his meds wore off. Kerry tried his best to get the kid to get to the point in the time allotted, but that guy had no intention of raising a simple question.

What an appaling breach of our FREEDOM OF SPEECH. This is another example of how out of touch the elected officials of this country have become. For a man of Kerry’s stature to not step in and stop the police brutality is shocking. But I guess it shouldn’t be, he never answered the man’s question about conceding an election he won. The fix is in! Why bother to even vote, Democracy is a thing of the past. I hope that all involved will be prosecuted for assault on both the student and out RIGHTS.

Time to start make taser proof vests from window screen and canvas–like a vest.

you would have to make the same for under your pants in case a one of the probes happens to strike you in the leg.

Make sure !!! that the vest and the legs vests are GROUNDED to each other via braided copper wire or you will feel the shock of your life.

This method works and I am currently making a slim version to post on you tube–how-to’s and all.

The guy is a jerk…he got what he deserved. The video evidence will work for the cops–not against them. Florida would do well to drop their support of him lest they be deemed as stupid.

It is incredible what’s happened.
This is the democracy that USA want to export abroad?
Lorenzo Contucci, Roma, Italy

Why were people initially cheering when the cops first grabbed him???? How disgusting. He should have been able to ask his questions wheather you liked them or not. What, you didn’t like his delivery? Tough! He should have been able to ask his question unmolested. His questions would have been answered and we wouldn’t have been witness to our rights being eroded.

Shame on the Campus Police.

Meyer was full of cr*p, as are most of you. Still…
This was just plain unnecessary and IMHO constituted excessive force. I’m not going to get behind this one.

I bet most of the people defending this clown are the same who think Clinton was impeached because he got a blow job. In that case he was impeached because he lied under oath. In this case the “victim” was tasered because he resisted lawful orders issued by police. Let me change the scenario. What if a racist showed up at a speech being held by Jesse Jackson. During Q&A the racist proceeds to ask Mr. Jackson why blacks deserved to be free and started ranting about white power. I guarantee you he would be asked to leave and if he didn’t the police would remove him by force if necessary. All of you “free speech” loving hypocrites would probably say he deserved what he got because he was a racist asshole, even though he was exercising his 1st Amendment rights. Forums like this have rules. This guy broke the rules and was asked to leave. He refused. Had he just walked out nothing would have happened to him. He could have file a complaint after. Instead he resisted. And yes boys and girls what he did was forcibly resist the police. I don’t care how many police are on top of you. If you continue to resist you are going to get tasered. The police are not going to take the chance that one of them gets hurt. For those U.S. citizen living abroad who are so ashamed of this country please do us a favor and renounce your citizenship. We don’t need you. And for those non U.S. citizens who think so poorly of the U.S. all I can say is incidents like this are not the norm. This type of thing is an anomaly. The U.S. is a great country.

Allen King

Watch the video again. “Twerp” was in the middle of asking his third question, which he had announced and was given permission to do. He did not fight police; he lifted his arms in protest and took no swings or kicks at them. He simply did not walk with them as they pleased.

Anger and distortion of facts are not points of view.

I will not insult your education level, simply point out the facts, so as not let them go unchecked.

Throw those University cops in JAIL. And do it NOW. They should be jobless for the senseless brutality they engaged in.

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Facism is popping out the box and youre all cheering for more… well good night america
greets from old europe

What is wrong with some of you people? You say Andrew did not show Kerry the proper “respect” by being annoying! Have you forgotten they work for us…they are no better than we are…we owe them no deference. I suppose you think the Founding Fathers were not annoying to King George. Free speech means just that. We used to be free to say what we thought even if it was not the popular opinion. I know when they introduced the ‘free speech zones’ it would come to this and worse. If you can’t sse what is wrong with America today, you’re like the frog being slowly boiled! On one video I even saw a African-American kid laughing when he was being drug out. He needs to go home and talk to his Grandmama!

Wow. 22 years in the army, 2 wars fought for this? Bull shit. I didn’t sign on for people to get arrested just because they have made others uncomfortable with their commentary. This is the US of A right?

From the videos (I saw two versions) it’s clear that Andrew behaved less than politely, asking three long questions when he was on overtime to ask one. However, being impolite, which I don’t think was intentional in this case, is not reason enough to be arrested in Norway. I think what would have happened here would be that the politician meeting the students would allow for student behavior and simply make time to answer whatever questions they had, or, if on a tight schedule, /explain/ that. After all the point would be to make a good impression, to win over the students’ minds. And in Norway (by the way, Norway is in Europe) it’s news when a politician temporarily needs police protection: even our late king Olav used to take the tram in Oslo with no police or security guards around, and you could chat him up if you happened to meet him. We generally see police escorts for politicians only when a US politician visits, although most visiting foreign politicians have some kind of security (more discreet, not the blatant show). It’s telling that they evidently need that protection, and that with the US ones it’s a show of force, closing streets for ordinary traffic, so on. Some years ago when Bill Clinton visited Oslo I was at a store called Glassmagasinet, and then when I was leaving I was stopped by the police, along with all others. Bill Clinton was on his way, and needed safe passage. Since I was just outside the entrance I was standing there (not allowed to leave) when Bill arrived, and that was when I shook hands with the former US President. Of course it was short since he concentrated his charms on the ladies standing there.

I am so sorry the people in the audience did not step in and protect your rights. I GUARANTEE had I, a 49 year old man, been there, I would’ve been at your side, and at the least been arrested along with you, and at the most had cop’s teeth embedded in my knuckles from “vigorously” defending your rights as a citizen.

Kerry was just waiting, somewhat going to respond, it’s not clear. Watch that video! The cops decided by themselves to attack the man at his remark about Bush/Clinton’s impeachment, just moments before the last question. They did it on purpose.

I hope those pigs I hope they get a undiagnosed illness. this man should be fucken president,He needs to write a book, if he eventually does Ill buy 100 of them!!!! im 100 percent serous and that guy saying andrew is an asshole.

doesnt know what hes talking about

How much longer shall we be willing to let this kind of injustice go on? How much longer will we allow the will of the poeple to be supressed? How much longer will we be silent under the supression? What will it take to get people out in the streets demanding justice? How long? How long? Will we wait until martial law is imposed after the next so-called terrorist attack? How close to you will the next person who gets tasered and taken away be before we are willing to take action? Who wil it be? Your neighbor? Your father? Your brother? Your sister? You?

I remember several documents that our forefathers crafted and then were wlling to died for. They are called the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. When did we give up the rights garaunteed to the PEOPLE in these documents.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

Remember that? It’s the First Amendment. When did this man ever violate any law? Resisting arrest? What a joke. These so-called police officers had no reason to lay a hand on this man. John Kerry should be ashamed that he did not personally step down from the stage and put an end to this injustice.

How much longer do we wait? How much longer?

What did the student do that pisst off the officer?
The student spoke for less than two minutes. He started by thanking Senator Kerry. He gave background for his three short questions and then the mike was turned off. Were there ground rules for this forum? For example the amount of time each speaker was alloted. Even in “its a done deal Chicago” at the dog and pony shows that pass for public hearings citizens get at least two minutes to speak. So why was he ruffed up by these Kollege Kops? Did his comment about voter fraud offend them? And then was he at some point arrested in such a way that his rights should have been read to him. Cause that doesn’t happen in the six minute nbc6 south florida tape http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250 of the event which follows the Kollege Keystone Kops (with more paraphenalia on their belts than some US soldiers in Iraq probably have.)into the hall. This is a way creepy event on many levels and deserves to be on the front pages of newspapers etc. much longer than any legal incident with Paris or Lindsay.

You can see a freeze frame still of a police man pointing a GUN at Andrew moments after he moved away from the microphone…Andrew was about 3 ft. away from the mike….HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can view it here on this thread link:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=18618&page=2

I can not believe there are people out in this country that actually believe that what Andrew did is right. Freedom of Speech does not mean you can break the rules of a forum and be disrespectful of the guest. The rules are there for everyone to follow and Andrew thought that “Freedom of Speech” meant he did not have to follow the rules. You ask one question and get one answer ….. how hard is that to understand? Andrew did not even pause long enough between the questions in his “rant” to give the guest a chance to answer. It is very obvious that he staged the event like he staged others in the past. Shame on you Andrew for manipulating the “Freedom of Speech” rights we all have for your own selfish ends and making a mockery of it. And the truly shameful part of all this is people seeing that it is “OK” to be disrespectful to others so you can have your rights! Here is a question I pose to those reading and posting here. If everyone is shouting how Andrew had a right to ask the questions in observance of his “Freedom of Speech” rights, didn’t Mr. Kerry also have the same rights to answer those questions? Wasn’t Andrew “stomping” Mr. Kerry’s same rights to answer those questions? If Andrew was truly there to ask questions he should have asked one questions and then waited to receive the answer. If he had more questions them he could have always asked to maybe meet afterwards with Mr. Kerry to ask them. Both Andrew and Mr. Kerry had the same rights, Andrew to ask the question and Mr. Kerry to answer the question. But Andrew did not ask a question and then give the guest a chance to answer did he? Listen to the recording. He was there to educate the assembly on the “facts” of injustices as he seen them and then let Mr. Kerry answer. He was very disrespectful of Mr. Kerry and all the other students there that did obey the rules of the forum. When he was asked to stop he chose not to. Freedom of speech and our First Amendment rights do not give us the right to be disrespectful to someone else or trample their rights beneath the heel of your boot. Simply said ….. Courtesy begets courtesy! Andrew, unfortunately, chose to escalate his behavior and make a mockery of the event. The students applauded the police removing him because of this shameful behavior. But Andrew could not let it go and had to continue being disrespectful of Mr. Kerry and all the other students there and escalate his disruptive behavior. Though unpopular, I believe in the end he got what he deserved. Actions have consequence and you need to be careful when you choose to escalate a situation because it may escalate beyond your control!

David, I quote you for the most important part of your post, “Freedom: Two very hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very well-informed and well-armed sheep!” AMEN brother!

FREE SPEECH!!!

WHAT IS THIS 1984!??

I think it’s time we stand up for our rights and start running this great nation by the Constitution it was founded on…

Mr. Meyer, I did not intend for you, or your
friends to abuse my philosophy this way.

And for the rest of you who think he was completely in the right, go learn common manners for being in a public discussion.

I’ll go back to spinning in my grave now over how
my descendants have been acting.

does anybody know who turned off the microphone?

To everyone who is bringing up freedom of speech…

THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUE!

Kerry let him ask his questions AFTER the questioning period was over!! Stop trying to make this a big rights movement. He was tasered because he was resisting arrest and fighting the cops. He kept trying to get away, any idiot could have guessed what would happen. Well, I guess not *any* idiot as this kid didn’t see it coming until it was too late.

Think about it. You are one of those policemen, you have someone who keeps trying to break away, keeps trying to get up and roll over. Think about how he was acting, how worked up he was getting. I applaud the work by those cops who took control of the situation, because for all they knew this kid could have charged the stage if they didn’t stop them, they really had no way of knowing and this kids behavior didn’t leave room for the benefit of the doubt.

The kid got tasered because he is a spoiled attention whore who would not cooperate with the police. I am all for protesting and free speech, but that is not the issue. You can look like a complete tool and make an ass of yourself or you could have calmed down and asked your question like a normal person.

This guy is a waste of space, I think his parents should be tasered too for raising such a spoiled brat.

he got to say what he wanted, Kerry let him continue and was answering his question, but he had to shout everything out at once. he just wanted to make a scene, if his questions were actually important to him then he could have asked him face to face when Kerry went into the audience to sign autographs and answer questions from those who were unable to ask them publicly.

Or is that defeating the purpose? Did he only want to ask the questions in front of everyone? Looks like he did, he NEEDED his moment. He knew exactly what he was doing, he was taking advantage of the open forum and he got punished for abusing it and acting like he was just some guy calmly asking a question. He wanted to push buttons, clearly shown by his tone and questions. And instead they pushed a few volts into his ass.

So again, this is NOT ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

This is about a spoiled brat thinking he is too good not to listen to the police when they warn you to stop resisting.

Note to everyone who thinks this kid is something important: if you are warned twice that you will be tased, then you most likely will be unless you stop acting like an ass. I hope the rest of UF isn’t that stupid.

the head of Accent (the organization running the event) gave the order to cut the microphone.

Whatever your position, I urge you to contact four different entities with your opinion:

1. The chief of the UF police department at:
updinfo@admin.ufl.edu

2. The president of the UF at:
president@ufl.edu

3. The organization that ran the forum, Accent, at:
accent@grove.ufl.edu

4. John Kerry at:
http://kerry.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm

Other potential contacts may be:
Florida ACLU at:
aclufl@aclufl.org

Florida State Attorney General’s Office:
ag.mccollum@myfloridalegal.com

I personally called the UF Presidents office and the Florida Attorney General’s office with my opinion. I also emailed the other addresses.

Finally, most of the people here are missing the point.

Whether you agree with his perspective or not, speaking out is not illegal, be it from an anti-war activist or a Nazi. To be arrested for refusing to stop talking is unconstitutional, period. Otherwise, every kid who talked back to his teacher, anyone who smart-mouthed their parents, any candidate in a debate who refused to stop talking with their time was up, anyone with a point of view that went against authority would be justifiably arrested.

People who defend these actions by police by saying they’re justified, then apologize for it by saying they are an anomaly are missing the point.

One more thing; no one here is talking about answers to Andrew’s questions.

I think that was BULL SH**! and I think he should just come on over to the Right side! Over here we are used to dealing with liberal propaganda being spewed at us in the media and public speaking forums. We don’t react in such a violent manner.

The only thing Kerry said was in response to contesting the 2004 election: “We just couldn’t do it in good conscience because we didn’t have that evidence.”

This student was acting like an idiot and wants attention. Grow up. There is a way to ask questions and not rant like a lunatic. If you want to be taken seriously, act like it.

How dare he try to ask any non-generic question to a former skull and bones member!

Thank god violence broke out on him or else I don’t know how it could have possibly been handled.
This better get to the rest of you liberals out there as well!
It’s republican vs. democrat and all officers have the right to do whatever the hell they want to!
Constitution?

We’re in times of terror now, so the constitution and people’s rights have to flex and be changed, it’s only fair!
Free speech?
What’s so wrong with letting the media to the telling?

You all act like it’s okay to be free or something.. Damn fools.. join the police department or the army..
How dare you question freedom.

Where’s Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to help a fellow American?

Welcome to the greatest democracy in the world! hahahahahahahahaha

We here in America have turned from freedom to facsism. Fox defends the police actions here when it was demonstrated as pure overkill by the police. I never would have believed in my wildest imagination that this once free land where freedom of thought and of expression would be answered with a taser gun from “law” enforcement personnel when attempting to pose a question. Perhaps it was the “Skull & Bones” question he was trying to ask that prompted police to quickly profile him as a potential “domestic terrorist”…

America is a police state now. You can see it everyday, everywhere, in many different forms and many different fashions, but it still fits the definition of one. Wake up Americans…. Your freedoms are evaporating before your eyes. All in the name of “Security”.

Some people claimed that this is not a First Amendment issue b/c he was resisting. I deal with this issue every day. The issue is why this was resisting. You cannot be arrested for resting and officer unless the officer(s) were in the process of a legal investigation, meaning there is reasonable suspicion to investigate, or the execution of a legal duty, like serving a warrant on someone.
If an officer just goes up to someone and tells them to do something, they don’t have to do it as long as the cop isn’t investigating a possible crime or in the process of arresting or ticketing that person. The problem is that once a cop decides they want to charge someone with resisting, it’s not hard to go back and think of something to say.
As you can hear in the video, this guy keeps asking what he did and why he was being arrested. the officers refuse to answer, probably because they don’t know what he could be arrested for. Later he was charged with, i believe, disturbing the peace.
When the officer’s initially approached him, it seemed to be solely to escort him out, because they didn’t want people going off with Kerry there. But that is not a crime.
That guy definitely was acting stupid and not making the best decisions about how to get his point across, but that is not a crime.

I know that cops behave like this every day especially to the poor, minorities, and the disenfranchised. When things like this happen to what appears to be a white, middle-class college student, in front of a couple hundred people, video cameras, and a former presidential candidate, it just makes the problem all the more obvious…

Who care’s! lets go out for some beer and pizza, then have a Roman orgy.

I laughed when they tasered his ass. I wish I could have done it myself……TWICE

Stupid asshole punk….handed off his camera to his friend right before he started his idiotic filibuster….

roses are red violets are blue kill a pig and a politician too

haha! protest? i think i’ll drive up to uf and protest the fact that a night stick and mace was not used on this fool. they should ahve p[ut him in cuffs and ‘accidentally’ walked him face first into the wall a few times.

it’s really simple folks – when the police ask you to leave someplace the first amendment doesnt protect you from arrest if you fail to comply with a lawfull order. when the police tell you you sre under arrest the first amendment doesnt allow you to flail your arms about and resist arrest.

he KNEW he was about to get tasered – he even had the audacity to tell the cops not to do it – if he didnt want to get zaped all he had to do was comply with orders. he failed to do this. hopefully the felony resisting arrest charge will stick and he will have to live with his stupidity for the rest of his life.

Arrested for asking too many questions, in a University!
Canada’s not better, just a couple a weeks ago in Montebello Quebec, undercover cops were trying to incite a riot in a protest so that the cops could move into the crowd.

yes i know i can’t spell i’m to busy with target practice to care
crush capitalism!!!
viva cuba.

Yeah Andrew may have went over his “time” BUT, John Kerry indirectly gave Andrew more “time” , Maybe Andrew was a little out of line with his comments/questions BUT what does that matter?

The first amendment allows for us to be out of line with our questions/comments, don’t you think Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and all of our forefathers raised a few eyebrows with their comments?

Watch the next presidential debate, they have timed questions and 99% of the candidates go over, do they get tasered?

Who cares what his agenda was, or how many pranks he has pulled in the past, does being pranksters automatically make us give up our precious bill of rights?

The police have every right to intervene with protests/freedom of speech/assembly issues when the law is broken (trespassing, violence, hate speech) but nothing along those lines occurred here.

I would have resisted in the same situation because the law allows every America citizen to resist an “unlawful arrest”. I think I would have thrown a few punches to those communist $8.00 an hour rent-a-pigs, especially that police lady who has apparently felt under appreciated all her life.

I have started a website http://www.freeandrew.com to get the info out about this, if anyone knows Andrew please tell him to contact me ASAP and I will gladly give him the website and all the password to it, so he can post whatever he wants. As of right now there is nothing on this site, but if you go to http://www.godaddy.com you can see I have registered it.

This country is turning into a communist police state. I am a hardcore conservative but I think this was way out of line when it comes to out constitutional principals/rights.

I support ya Andrew! ……..freeandrew123@yahoo.com

always do what cops say they are very smart:)

Everything about this is sickening to me, this is exactly why I’m a member of the ACLU and why I’m going to law school. You don’t have to fucking like it, you don’t have to listen or agree, but our first amendment right is FREEDOM OF SPEECH! We support you Andrew!

Andrew was well within his rights as an American. His comments may have been controversial, but no where NEAR trying to insight a riot. If you notice the police never directly tell him to stop and remove himself from the podium after cutting his mic, they just go straight for his arm and try and arrest them.

If ANYONE was trying to induce that riot it was the police officers themselves.

I don’t care if you think that he “deserved” to be tasted like all these ignorant youtube comments say… Its his RIGHT to be able to ask a question, and hear the answer. Kerry himself said it was an important question.

And to Bob’s comment, The cops made the WRONG decision… just because you have a badge doesn’t mean that you can go arresting that person because the comments they made offended you, or made you uncomfortable. COPS ARE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. That kid did NOTHING WRONG (HABEUS CORPUS DOES NOT AFFECT US ANYMORE OR SOMETHING?).. the cops made a bad decision and STARTED the public disturbance that occured.

Who reported this public disturbance? Who said it was? It was that twat of a cop who got offended by the Skull and Bones comment.

Good grief, you people are wack. Look at the videos here:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=657_1190085332

and here:

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

He wasn’t tased for exercising his first amendment rights, you morons. He was tased because he was resisting being cuffed.

Look at his demeanor toward the officers while he had the mic. That informed the officers what kind of cooperation they could expect from him. Notice his unhinged reaction to being merely led hands-on — a NORMAL police action, you dill-rods — from the room. Notice how he tore away from the officer in the back of the room — setting the stage for a thoroughly appropriate restraint to the ground. Notice how he flailed to resist cuffing, verbally telling the cops to “get the fuck off” him.

Then notice his insane paranoid remarks outside of the venue — as if they were going to take him to freaking Gitmo or something.

You idiots don’t understand law enforcement. You don’t WRESTLE with uncooperative fools. That’s how you AND they get hurt. It’s actual damage to people that tasers are designed to prevent. Tasing him let him know the police were serious, and that he needed to cooperate. And ya know what you moon-bats — it worked! He finally cooperated!

Gee, whodathunkit? Not you yahoos.

Grow up.

If the police had first said “sir please leave the building” and he didnt, then he should have been arrested ……..BUT they didnt do that, they go straight for his arm……….

Um, nick? 00:43 — he didn’t listen.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=657_1190085332

Don’t you think these “officers” were a little trigger happy? I mean c’mon I’m sure they stay busy on campus with reporting large drink spills outside the library….. or a jaywalker by the dorms or more serious offences such as double parking…….maybe they knew a large public figure was going to see them protect and serve and it might boost their ego a little bit

I bet most of those campus cops that were not on camera have shaved heads and wear knuckle-less gloves too…………

http://www.freeandrew.com

Andrew Meyer may have been right, but he was also being a punk. The persons gathered did not come together to hear Mr. Meyer, and if he wished to address an audience, he should have convened his own. I have had the opportunity to ask some rather interesting persons questions, and have had to choose said questions wisely because I recognize that others would also appreciate the opportunity to engage the newsmakers and policymakers of our day. Did he deserved to be tazered, no. Was he being a petulant child, yes. He is not brave, he is not a first amendment crusader, he is an impolite and selfish young man. I agree with his position, however, that does not give him the right to be a jerk. I also agree that he had the constitutional right to say what he pleased. That doesn’t change the fact that he was being a punk. It also doesn’t change the fact that the sponsor of the event had the right to ask him to leave the property, and to remove him when he refused. His grandstanding is counter-productive; for years we will have to suffer the right-wing talking heads characterizing progressive students in the model of Mr. Meyer, and the fourty-odd percent of the American population who adhere to conservative values will dismiss students as irrelevant. I have no pity for Mr. Meyer, has has made my goals that much more difficult to achieve because he felt the need to grandstand, to get his 15 minutes, at the expense of hardworking progressive activists who find consensus-building a more important calling than a fleeting personal glory. There is no happy ending when a person who should be concerned with a cause sells out for the sake of his or her own ego. I care not about Mr. Meyer’s case, if he loses, it is a loss for all Americans. If he wins, it rewards his poor conduct. This is a lose/lose for all American progressives.

No, I don’t think so Nick. Watch the vid. They’re trying to cuff him. He resists constantly, “get the fuck off me.” Then he shows complete lack of understanding: “Don’t Tase me, bro, I didn’t do anything.” Tasing isn’t about punishment for something one has done. It’s about pacifying someone who’s a hazard to himself or others. It’s about gaining the cooperation of someone who’s given clear indications that they’re unhinged.

Your remarks are puerile. You “bet” idiotic projections of an immature imagination. Grow up.

Nick, you imbecile he IS FREE. And your site is a stupid place-holder.

You think, this was disrespectful? Asking a question, that everyone should ask is disrespectful? So this is the freedom of speech in the oh so free america? the relationship to skull and bones is well well known and it should be allowed to ask if this relationship between bush and kerry is the reason for the election fraud. I hope some day people will just open their own eyes and reading some lines that they are NOT shown in Fox News.
My respect to Andrew from the nowadays NSA-secured Germany

I guess its ok for fucking pigs to push people around after all. Granted the kid was a little prick.

They should have let him finish his question…after all Kerry wanted him to. They could have carried the kid to the door, and put him outside and guarded the entrance and all would have been well.

I think dude wanted this to happen and I say cool beans man for exposing the shit. You know we all think it and know it. Freedom of speech, gimme a break. There is no such thing anymore and this is one little incident.

Feels like Cold War bullshit all over again, except duck and cover won’t work. I don’t know all of the circumstances, but I didn’t think cops were to use tasers unless they were in danger or something. What a pussy. The cops around here don’t have to taser anyone, they just cuff and stuff them and that’s that.

I normally don’t comment, but I read several articles and watched the videos, including this long one cited by Joe (http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250).

Let me preface my comments with the following, for whatever it is worth:
- I have very little respect for police.
- I am a UF graduate.
- I am somewhat liberal politically.

First, ACCENT turned off the microphone, so the government in no way restricted free speech. It did not appear that Mr. Meyer ever intended to allow Sen. Kerry to respond to any of his questions.

Second, I think it is pretty obvious that this was planned by Mr. Meyer, although I don’t think he planned to get tased. Just watch the long video and see how melodramatic he is.

Third, he was initially only being escorted from the forum. Only after he refused and began causing a scene did the officers choose to arrest him.

Fourth, resisting arrest is defined on dictionary.law.com as “the crime of using physical force (no matter how slight in the eyes of most law enforcement officers) to prevent arrest, handcuffing and/or taking the accused to jail”. I didn’t need this definition to know he resisted arrest.

Fifth, the use of the taser appeared to be an escalation of tactics, the appropriateness of which will be determined by an investigation. I don’t feel sorry Mr. Meyer and cannot sympathize with him because he had several opportunities to comply. If he had left the forum when he was asked to, he probably would not have even been arrested.
If it turns out that Mr. Meyer’s display was premeditated, then he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Because if premeditated, his prank jeopardizes the careers and livelihoods of several officers, as indicated by some of your calls for lawsuits and firings.

I know Andrew is free, its more of a theory “free Andrew” but, is he really “free” after seeing what happened I don’t know who is “free” anymore………I agree with you, Andrew was an idiot for saying the things he said, but that’s not against the law,

trust me I know how people try to abuse the issue of the 1st amendment, they go protest at the white house and get arrested and argue “my rights, my rights, my right,” but they were trespassing, so its tuff shit on them, or they make signs with profanity on them and then get arrest and try to argue “1st amendment” and again, there are underlying laws that forbid those actions, but that I’m asking is, what law did he break?

Here are some university email address’ if you want to email these people for what ever reason

spurlin@ufl.edu , tdunn@ufl.edu, dbaxley@ufl.edu , wbarber@ufl.edu , jholcomb@admin.ufl.edu, erice@ufl.edu, eccrews@admin.ufl.edu, tvanderv@ufl.edu, judithaw@ufl.edu , wbarber@ufl.edu , settel@admin.ufl.edu, lStump@admin.ufl.edu, presidents-house@ufl.edu, president@ufl.edu, bcbeach@ufl.edu , smstacey@ufl.edu , donnas@ufl.edu , ivanko@ufl.edu , rfrey@ufl.edu , bboone@ufl.edu

just copy and paste them in your “send to” section

Does the first amendment and freedom of speech mean you disregard authority? Once authority has asked something of you, you do it! Regardless of your opinions and views, thats called selfishness Andrew! There seemed to be ample time for Andrew to have avoided being arrested and tasered, learn to respect authority and don’t turn this into a Rodney King case when it is far from it.

Rasqual must be a descendant of King George

The hysterics I’m seeing here are apparently from people who’ve rarely seen police doing their normal job. Context: I’m wary of abuse of police powers. This was NOT by any stretch an abuse of such powers.

Some people just get all excited when they see exciting things happen, and their uninformed brains trigger impetuous remarks.

Inciting a riot? I’ll show them a fucking riot.

Hey Nick? Parting comment from me for the night.

Read up on Abraham Lincoln.

How many NORTHERN reporters did he have thrown in jail, Nick?

What’s that he suspended, again? Habeas . . .

Life, like history, is complex. I’m sure you’ll do fine once you’ve sown your wild oats and used up your quota of youthful indiscretion and foolishness.

And always remember — if you’re not a liberal at 18 you haven’t a heart, and if you’re still one at 35 you haven’t a brain.

Anyone who says they are upset by this kid’s behavior is outrageous and a ball licker. Yes, that means you lick balls and you are a Yes Man. You do what you are told and blindly follow leaders that take you nowhere. This kid has set the standard the precedent to follow for the people to regain the power, and not leaders, which we elect who abuse their authority. It is inevitable. Why do we study Marxism? What is the point if we do not Learn from failed Leaders?

I’m not a liberal sir, never have been, I’m 28 and I WAS NOT a liberal in my teenage years. Maybe my comments are that of a liberal,

and maybe you need to read more into “Honest Abe”

he had those reporters thrown in jail “treasonable utterances.” Is Andrew a traitor?

Congressman Clement Vallandigham was also thrown in jail for the same thing and sent to prison, but Lincoln later commuted his prison time after thinking twice about the constitution authority on the issue

Now we have an argument, I welcome it

As most things go on the internet, I have to ask “Is what I just saw the whole story?” If the truth is staring me in the face, then why is this student facing felony charges for cornering a politician in his own game of smoke and mirrors? Is the tactics of the Democrats and the drive-by-media not fair when it is turned upon them? Or was the video a simple segment of a “Jackass” style stunt to add to a college library of “been there done that” videos that was interrupted before it came to be? Either way, I do not see any reason for the actions of the campus rent-a-cops nor the DA to get involved in the way that they did or are threatening to.

Are we truly free as Americans to speak our minds, hold protests, and act as the directing body as I understand the founding fathers of this county intended? Or have we fallen victim to the same regime that we are supposed to stop from oppressing it’s own people in the name of democracy? Look at the fall of Rome and then look in the mirror……

So has anybody heard of this little thing called the Constitution? I do believe it is a piece of paper drafted by our forefathers explaining the rights of Americans in what was supposed to be a free country.

Big Brother U.S. Government just loves to scare all of the sheep that live in this once great country into relinquishing their rights as a free American. As dub-ya goes and fights his religious crusade on the Middle East and his seizure of one of the largest resources of oil with the entire conglomeration of Zionist neo-cons.

Does this recent occurrence of police brutality over free speech bring to mind any other era in America that the world now frowns upon? Or remind anybody of any of the countries that we once stood up against to help their people gain freedom?

Everything from the unwarranted tapping of our phone lines just because, to the idea of requiring a national ID card with an RF ID tracking device installed to keep tabs on every US citizen. These are things leading us a little bit past a police state and even past a dictatorship. This reminds me of something straight out of 1984.
(Don’t forget “Big Brother” is watching you)

we need to do something to get our country back. if you havent already please take the time to Google presidential candidate “Ron Paul” He is a man that wants to restore our constitutional rights as Americans. on top of that he wants to do away with the IRS and income tax, as well as give our country an efficient universal health care system. And just in case any of you are wondering , i am a very liberal registered democrat pulling for a constitutional non neo-con republican. Protect the rights of Americans!

your right Kurt …….the “REAL NATIONAL ID CARD” is coming in 2008, how many of you guys have ever heard of that? ………..do you know our senate passed it in 2005 , with a vote of 100-0 and every American will have to have this “ID card” in order to buy guns, ammunition, open a bank account, get on a plane, or use any government program. What scares me the most is, congress left open the possibility of homeland security requiring EVERY American to provide additional requirements “such as fingerprints/retinal scans on file”.

One website said if you’re pulled over by the police they can scan your card and it will show your complete background, how many guns you have bought, where you bought them, your travel history, etc.

America is the greatest county ever, but at one time so was Rome……….think about it

Kurt, you and I play for different teams as far as the political registration. I have always voted for the Republican Party, no matter the choice. I know that service men and women have died and are dying to give you and me the freedom to have these discussions. With that said, I agree with your statement and I have thought this to be the need since I was in Junior High School (20 years ago) that the direction that our country is taking is one into disaster. I will look at Mr. Paul, and also concede that there are no good presidents that we have an opportunity to choose from. As Lewis Black (http://www.lewisblack.net/) put it, we only had two bowls of shit that we to choose from and the only real choice is which one does not stink as bad.

@mike:
“You don’t think he resisted arrest? What the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
He clearly is resisting arrest the whole time, you cannot deny this.
Resisting arrest is patriotic now?”
Arrest due to…? Inconvenient questions? Well. If you accept this, keep your big democracy, I prefer much more my Spaghetti-like one. At least we can still ask questions without risking our life if we exceed the time limit of 2 seconds (TASER CAN KILL).

This is what Saddam’s thugs did to Iraqis who questioned him.
Now our politicians/officials and doing the same in one way or other!

If this is the Freedom, that the USA export in the World, i will not have it. This is like Germany 33-45. Ask some Question an you will be punished. Where are the brave and free People in the Land of the Free and the home of the Brave?? Remember your Constitution and Vote for RON PAUL
Best wishes from Germany

I’m all for free speech, but freedom is about knowing when to shut up too.

The police were acting in accordance with the law. We need Fred Thompson for president to take care of troublemakers like this.

If you are a supporter of Fred please join our forum and show your solidarity.
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GO FRED ‘08!!

” It is every citizen’s duty to resist false arrest There is no such crime as “resisting arrest.” This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen’s right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen’s attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen. “An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260). “Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100). Not one person attempted to rush to the aid of Meyer who was screaming “HELP! HELP ME!” Do individuals have the right to come to the aid of another citizens being falsely arrested? YES! “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910). And on the issue of actually killing an arresting officer in self defense: “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

You know the police could have handled it a bit differently and at the start I was squarely on his side untill I saw that link on his webpage about 9/11 those video’s are just disrespectful those buildings came down because of metal fatigue caused by the intense heat of burning jet fuel THATS IT! Anyone who would spread that worthless propoganda is a piece of shit in my book.

There is a specific crime called “resisting arrest” and it is fully enforcable by law, jail time or prison time. For instance Illinois law 720 ILCS 5/7-7 says “A person is not authorized to use force to resist an arreest which he knows is being amde by either a peace officer or by a private person summoned and directed by a peace officer to make the arrest, even if he believes that the arrest is unlawful and the arrest is in fact unlawful.” Listening to an anarchist quoting obscure liberal court rulings will not help when you out when you are looking at prison time for resisting an arrest. If it’s that illegal then file a lawsuit afterwards.

1. What are the rules for the situation ? I suspect there are rules allowing to a) shut down the microphone, and b) ask Andrew to leave the premises.

2. Were the rules applied properly when grabbing him ? I hope not. in the video I have seen on Youtube, I can’t hear any of the “arresting officers” present him with any kind of information. The seem to be simply dragging him off stage as it were, revealing a frightingly low level of communication. His reactions seem only too natural in the situation.

3. Was it in accordance with the rules to tazer him ? I fear it might be so, as I can imagine the rules provide quite some dicretion to the user of a tazer.

4. Can a good lawyer sue the ass of the university ? I sincerely hope so !!!!

5. Why ? Because of abuse of power, unproportional behaviour towards students (their own customers!), because of a lack to adequately in advance inform students of regulations pertaining to the event – in other words – if you want a tea party where Mr. Kerry is only presented with niceties and proper behavior, tell people in advance, or take the heat, if someone crosses the fine line you have drawn up, BUT have forgotten to inform the students of.

6. Once the legal stuff is over, what then ? If the University and or the personnel get off without any sort of ruling critisising them, there needs to be a debate about freedom of speech. About what use it is to have a guy like Mr. Kerry visit campus, if questions like Andres can’t be asked. Politics is about debate, and about emotion. The question of whether or not the outcome of election was true or not, is extremely important and begs to have any doubt examined. Thats not only about freedom of speech, thats about truth, real hardcore severe truth. Stuff that could have changed world history. Kerry for Bush. Would I personally have disalloved a student to raise his voice ect. when dealing with such a serious question ? I think it’s a tuff question, beacuse its very easy to get emotional and in that process irrational. If you like the question, you allow it, if you dislike the questions, yo dont. And this irrational line of thinking is what freedom of speech protects. So I go for a wide interpretation of freedom of speech.

9. If the “arresting officers” are found not guilty: change the arrest rules immediately, send the guards on personal stress handling courses, so they can have a wider range of personal choises available when confronted with more dangerous individuals in the future.

10. If the whole thing blows over and nothing happens, well then University of Florida, you have my personal disgust.

11. To Andrew: Overall I thing you’ve done us all a favor by higligting a major system failure.

To Bobs comments regarding resisting arrest:

I suspect you are confused by the legal aspects of the matters:

1. Yes you can be punished for resisting arrest, IF the arrest is found to be lawfull.

2. Yes you can resist arrest, and have a right and duty to do so – according to the ruling mentioned – but ONLY if the arrest is found to be unlawfull are you found not guilty.

This means that the police officer that hates your guts can’t take you down in the supermarket because he feels you took his parking space. That would probably amount to an unlawfull arrest, and therefore an arrest you could fight against.

Actutally in my country, Denmark, you could probably get away with doing a “citizens arrest” of the police officer, since that person is commiting a crime by abusing power.

Maybe its the same in America ?

What do you think Bob ?

Ron Paul, really? The kid was being an asshole. The cops did their job incorrectly. Ive been arrested in New Orleans, NOPD treats you like shit as well. What do you expect, we dont pay them enough, or give them the propper incentive to do their jobs in a non-corrupt manner. we are all just whining about the poor jaded american system. honestly, figure out how it works, play the game and change it. its always been like this. we shouldnt be imposing any system on any country, regardless of whether its good, bad, etc. its all too subjuective. germany 33-45? fuck you. you just have to know how and to whom to ask the question, its not compromising just intelligence. survival of the fittest sweet heart, thats all america is. life isnt fair and you have deal with what youve got. meyer fancies himself a revolutionary for attention, its silly. the police are assholes. meyer got his way and yes, comparatively this isnt worth our time concidering this happens everyday every hour and worse. meyer happens to be a networked white kid at a large university in the presence of John Kerry. but fuck its amusing and gives everyone an outlet to get a good rant exposed. on that note, who honestly thinks national health care would end up any differnt than our school system, public housing, or community services. its going to be run off property taxes, the wealthier districts(cities, counties, parishes, etc.) will have better services. same old story…. better than we’ve got now? im skeptical…….
meyer is selfish, so what. i hate fucking ayn rand, but really, at least this kids passionate about what he believes in and acts accordingly. what makes me cringe the most is this joe fella blindly saying ‘obey authority’…. gross. and nick, we’ve never been ‘free’ and our country sure as hell has never been equal. we’ve been a contradiction from the beginning. we’re all naively fighting ignorance anyway.

Arrested for asking pointed questions – America is truly, truly LOST now. You are in a Police State and don’t even know it. Lol. Fare thee well. You will need all the help you can get – but none will come to your aid. This is your mess. Enjoy it.

delicious, i think ill revel in it. america has always been selfish and corrupt, hypocritical and LOST. the wire tapping and the phone easedropping, extremely disconcerting. i agree, we’re heading in a bad direction. but our basic constructs are the same (yes horrible and corrupt) but this has happened in the past. im sure our university and locally operated police organizations rally under a singular unit’s orders… we must no longer have variation amongst our local governments…. (isnt florida where the presidential voting problems occured as well?) its a disinegration of confidence throughout the country because bush flared it so artificially post 911. its an undulating system, and recently we’ve realized we fucked up, and the current administration is taking advantage of the apathy of dispair. I assure you that noah’s flood will drown us before our police state mess overwhelmes america’s capitalism. have you seen our golden collegiate athletes? i cant wait until the academic counterpart trickles into the buisness, political, and scientific world. besides im really the last to defend american national policy and mentality in the present.

this comment needs repeating:

“One million people dead in Iraq is appalling. Five hundred billion dollars of our tax dollars spent on the military anually is appalling. Carrying a federal debt we can barely afford to pay the interest on is appalling. Nine trillion in the hole is appalling. A weak dollar is appalling. A collapsing prison system is appalling. GMO crops in mass production with no public dialogue and no label is appalling. Stolen elections are appalling. Habeas Corpus gone bye-bye appalling. The mockery of our constitution under the guise of protection is appalling.

You my friend, are appalled by the wrong things. Please wake up.”

Comment by Dan Linehan 09.17.07 @ 8:02 pm

Of course it had to do with what he said. Sen Kerry agreed to take his questions. His only profanity was “crap” and if you can say it on morning t.v., you can say it on campus. If the guy had asked him some fluff question there would have been no problem.

The cops were there the whole time, he is practically considered a president by many. The guy travels with security and of course the campus is gonna have some on hand. What does that mean? It means that when the company kerry or the campus had monitoring/controlling the forum decided to not comply with Sen Kerry’s agreement to let the student speak, the student spoke up so Kerry could hear across the auditorium. I would too, it’s ridiculous that when asking a figurehead like John Kerry a question that should be asked and isn’t that some spinster prick should resort to cutting his mic. But then again, thats why they have these screening crews on hand ahem* republican presidential debate*.

There was a law in TX at one time that if you were pursued unjustly by law enforcement you could respond to their force equally (wild west marshall era). I wish that were the case everywhere now. The kid wasn’t drunk driving or belligerent, he was ranting and eventually, speaking across a room of people to finish his question. Had someone walked up and said “sir if you doo not calm down and finish your question you will be arrested for disorderly” he would have finished and sat down. They wanted this kid to suffer. Conservative state = conservative cops.

He was amazed at the actions of the cops, as was I. He thought Kerry would intervene, Kerry wussed like he did in the election. He thought the students would note the hipocrisy and injustice, they didn’t. Freedom of speech doesn’t involve filtered debate and forum. That is truely fascist.

Kerry is done. I hope this unveils the constricted illusion of democracy and freedom we are a part of right now to many people. And I hope they are willing to go the same distance as this kid. Because the bottom line is this. This kid knew he would never be allowed to speak. And he knew that he spoke for many. So he fought for his and our constitutional right to be heard in a non-violent manner.

JB there is a law, its case law……the United States Supreme Court ruled in State v. Robinson: “if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen’s attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen. An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.”

also in State v. Mobley: “Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self-defense.”

also in Plummer v. State: “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.”

“Don’t tase me, bro!” Almost as priceless as his wussy yelps. He should move quickly to trademark the phrase. The licensing alone could easily fund the additional asinine stunts he is sure to pull (and the bandwidth charges he’s about to get hit with by his blog’s hosting company). You 1st Amendment types have plenty of other things to gripe about that are legitimate. Don’t carry this jackass’ water.

just a lil tid-bit , go to http://www.donttasemebro.com and see where it takes you …………….HA HA

come to Canada. our cops are laid back. the canadian motto is: who cares. our dollar is strong. and thanks to global warming, it will be hot here soon.

“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable. . . .”

—Justice William Brennan

WOW, you guys in the US really are becoming a police state, even KERRY has said that he’s never seen anything like it through decades of public appearances. No matter what spin you put on it a student was TASERED for asking a question….??

More concerning was how all the students just sat there like robots and how many people in the USA obviously now consider this normal police behaviour because you are now living in a police state… but to people in other countries you are looking more freaky all the time….

Every time I watch this video, I get angrier and angrier. This student did NOTHING wrong. If had been there man… I would have f*cking rushed those cops. That poor guy.

This situation appears to be another instance of officers abusing tasers.

The question at hand is not whether this student was acting like a “jerk” or whether you agree with cruel and unusual treatment towards others. The question is did these officers, from whom we expect more honorable behavior and a reasonable enforcement of justice, act beyond what was reasonably needed to remove this individual without harm to themselves or others.

From the video footage I have seen thus far I witnessed a lone female officer tasering the young man as he lie on the floor and several other police officers appeared to be sitting on him and had his hands already controlled behind his back. The picture more seemingly resembles an officer holding a taser charge to a man’s body to spite a man she finds a jerk instead of just doing her job and what is needed to REASONABLY bring order and enforce justice.

This is just another incident in a long list of situations in which there certainly seems to be several instances of bad judgment and or underhanded rampant abuses toward citizens being unreasonably tasered by police in cases where it is not absolutely necessary in order to reasonably restore order.

Dear all, please tell your political people that here in Europe we have, and others soon will have enough evidence in what reality is really about…..:D

“” It is every citizen’s duty to resist false arrest There is no such crime as “resisting arrest.” This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen’s right, but his duty! ”

Dangerous advice, most recently they have ruled that you must comply, then take it up as a civil matter if you believe you were wrongly treated.

The 1st amendment is designed to protect the rights of this dufus as much as it is designed to protect anyone else’s right to free speech.

But it does so by giving him a cause of action against the state after he’s been arrested or prevented from speaking.

It does not give him a license to scuffle with police officers then complain when tazered.

Yes red states, we do think you are uneducated rednecks, police pigs. Gainesville is getting back their old name “Hogtown”. Matteo you are correct, we are the nation we deserved by letting the Bush Regime continue without jailtime for all the bastards. Pigs, neo-nazis, and Repukians, O My!

If you watch the video carefully, you will notice that the first police moved on him as soon as he dared to mention / questioned Kerry’s “Skull & Bones Society’ aka. The Illuminati membership which the ‘winner’ of the election GW Bush also member. That was a question too far! Kelly & Bush’s membership of the Illuminati is a fact and the election result was a fiction.

Deserved to be tasered for pretending to be a college student and lacking the ability to ask a simple coherent question. I’d also sentence him to five more years of college.

Let us all remind ourselves on how well the POLICE GESTAPO helped in the Cho incident in Virginia. 31 of the 33 killed after police showed up cringing behind cars with SMGs and body armor and listening to fatal shots ring out. Anyone with a Concealed Carry could have stopped it, but we are supposed to let the Police protect us? HA! And we see what happens when we delegate to these thugs our safety. Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the supreme court said the Police have no obligation to protect you, but they can certainly hurt you with IMPUNITY.

i forgot to add this link for the proof and one of the question Kerry did not answer to Andrew -and the police moved in.

seems like for the for 8 years the fate of the USA, Iraq and the rest of the world fixed and sealed within a secret elite society’s windowless room.

opps. 2nd try for the link
http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2004_09/old_yale.html

You all are right about our slipping slowly into tyrrany and losing our Constitution . . . you need to Google Ron Paul, because he is all about restoring our adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. He would bring the troops home, get rid of the Patriot Act, stop Warrantless Wiretapping and make our government a transparent government!

Hope you all know that the Andrew Meyer incident with John Kerry was staged. It wasn’t real. He never got tasered. It was some kind of psychological operation on the people.

I lived more than half of my life in communism and looked at USA as symbol of personal freedom and democracy as well as justice. Those days are over for some time but a lesson learned stays.

The country that beats it’s kids is on the wrong way. This kid just asked a question. He wasn’t rude or threathening. I could not believe that comrad Kerry could not answer the question. He hasn’t asked for top secret information but a simple question.
In communism you got to jail if you ask wrong question. In USA you first get beaten and then to jail if you put wriong question.
What’s the difference between communism and USA?

I laughed my ass off when I saw this! The police should have tazzered his whiny little ass one more time for good measure. Y’all need to learn when to just SHUT THE FUCK UP! You bleeding heart bastards. The funny part about his stupid little stunt is, if he’s convicted (I hope he is) then he will have a felony conviction on his record and he’ll have a hard time getting a job if he ever gets out of college. He might want to start learning; You want fries with that? HA HA HA HA

This is ridiculous. The whole thing is a publicity stunt. The kid DESERVED what he got. What did he hope to accomplish? He was asked to move away. He didn’t. He was asked to stop struggling. He didn’t. I support the police 100% in this incident.

One of the other commenters above said he wasn’t rude. What are you talking about? He was shouting, he wouldn’t do what the police asked him to, and he was making a big scene. That’s RUDE.

He represents the sense of entitlement that I see WAY too often in people that age these days. All he had to do to avoid being tasered was stop struggling. He even said, “Don’t taser me, bro.” But he continued with the same behavior.

Makes me wonder how he got into college in the first place. That wasn’t very bright.

I guess the American Revolution was publicity stunt too………..

these comments are great how bout we go off topic to mix it up?

WHERE IS THE RESPECT? – the emoticon turns 25

(2007-09-18) — Although the world marks his 25th birthday this week, Smiley Emoticon, the famed herald of humor, may find it hard to celebrate.
Still at home with parenthesis, recuperating from an undisclosed colon procedure, the once-dashing Mr. Emoticon has seen his career overtaken by younger, more graphic comic figures.
“People used to depend on me to tell them what was funny,” he said wistfully. “I was a veritable font of humor — and always punctual. There was a time when no wisecracker in the country would make a sly remark without me.”
Archive: Smiley Emoticon at 20: Tired of Faking It (September 18, 2002)

I was disapointed in your coverage on the Student who was tasered. Since when does rude behavior warrant being painfully tasered? Then in order to discredit him, you mention his past practical jokes. How about some close up photos of the so called “Police” who were smiling when inflicting pain? Plus perhaps a background check on them? That would have been fair and professional journalism. They are on adminstrative leave for a reason.
Lastly, I’m sure many of your readers would like the answer to the questions about “Skull and Bones”?

You children are morons. You clearly do not understand the Constitution and what the right to free speach entails. First, it does not allow you to say whatever you want. It allows you to voice your views and opinions in a civil and respectful manner. I doubt any of you understand what respect is and I doubt you have it for any authority figures starting with your parents. As a parent I would be thorughly embarassed if my son acted in this manner, I raised him better than that. This idiot has not respect for himself, his country or the fine police officers who protect us every day. You can tell this by the way he reacted when he was first asked to step away from the microphone and refuse, then became biligerant, offensive and unwilling to cooperate with the law enforcement officers. At that poin the officers have a right to remove him to protect himself, the other audience members and themselves as well. His continued resistance constitutes resistance against police officers, which in case you don’t know is against the law. At that point the officers had every right to use whatever means necessary to restrain him. Personally, I commend the police officers restraint. If it were me, I would have shot the SOB and save some oxygen. This idot leaving this world would be no big lose to anyone except his moronic friends who think he is some kind of hero for voiceing his opinion in a non-civil manner and then actually being held accountable for his actions. BRAVO TO THE POLICE OFFICERS TO TASERED THIS SOB, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ABOUT 100 MORE TIMES.

After watching the video several times I did not hear the officers EVER tell the student he was under arrest. Manhandling him and dragging him off and telling him to shut up is not an act of official duty of arrest. If he was not told he was under arrest HE WAS NOT RESISTING ARREST! The University President should bear the brunt of a police force that physically abused this young man. He should sue and make sure this never happens again in any university in America.

I live outside the US, and as an observer I can’t stop thinking this country, in the name of liberty is drifting towards dictatorship.

There are things that may be legal but this does not mean they are decent: the police behaviour in this instance looks to me absolutely indecent, not say if on top of this the guy gets a fine or prison penalty. I have to add that Kerry’s lack of action is also apalling, in this speech he has, in my opinion, fully discredited himself as a Democrat.

Ok first of all fuck all of you for saying free speech is dead. Free speech dose not include acting like a jackass. Second of all I’ve accutally seen someone get tasered. That douche who acted like a pompus ass from what I can tell was acting and being a little pussy . For defending him your only proving that America isn’t the one thats killing free speech, your only proving that idiots such as yourself don’t deserve free speech. Cuase your only going to use it for your own idiotic reasons.

Gary, your a blow hard, just like the rest of this guys supports. You are right, they did not say he was under arrest before he began resisting, hence it was not resisting arrest. But, when police offiers ask you to move or leave I was actually taught to respect police officers and actually follow their request. At the point where they asked him to leave and he refused, he then became abusive and biligerent towards John Kerry and the LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Considering the language and tone he was using, he was clearly trying to start a confrontation. Because of this the police are obliged, as part of the oath they take when they become police officers, to protect the other citizens in the room from this individual. As a result they attempted to ESCORT him from the room. His refusal and continued struggle, and well as the physical contact he made with police when he began swinging his arms and trying to resist the police officers restraining him actually constitutes assualting a police officer, or in this case police offiers. Once that happen they have the right to place him under arrest and any further resistance constitutes resisting arrest. PLEASE OH PLEASE STOP BEING SO IGNORANT OF THE LAW. IF ANYTHING, THE POLICE OFFIERS SHOULD SUE THIS MORON, OR BETTER YET TAKE HIM OUT BEHIND THE WOOD SHED AND PUT A 9 mm BEHIND HIS EAR. IT WOULD SAVE US ALL A LOT OF GRIEF AND AT THE VERY LEAST WE WOULD HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM OR HIS SUPPORTS..GOD BLESS THE POLICE AND ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR NOT TAKING CRAP FROM IDIOTS LIKE THIS GUY.

http://www.killAndrewMeyer.com

If you want the whole story about what transpired and what a manipulative little asshole this kid is, go to: http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/09/andrew_meyer_deserved_to_be_ta.php

Welcome to the new “Bush/republican USA” as a Vietnam era veteran I am shocked at the lack of interest by young people in the threat to our freedom represented by the current administration and the willingness of the police/collages to suppress free speech. When I have gone to Peace rallies I only see us gray heads. Wake up you younger folks this is your problem too.

I was there and I saw him get kicked. If you need me in court just email me. I will fight for your freedom. Who in the hell has the right to take away your constitution right!

The UK Supports you. Again we see democracy/police state in progress. We support you Andrew Meyer.

Ciao!
I’m Doina, i’m 19 and I’m writing from Italy.
I’m sending you this comment full of errors just to give my far support to Andrew, who underwent an excessive and through and through unjustified violence.
While I was reading the article I was really shocked and then the video caused me a feeling of disgust and of bafflement that I can’t remove, even if 3h passed from the news publication.
My disdain is the result of two main elements:
- the foolish act of the police who felt the duty to immobilize a boy only because of his effort to have true information,probably too much uncomfortable and for this “dangerous” ( but what is not dangerous in this widespread fear’s sickness?!)
- and above all, above all the absolute absence of any reaction from the audience. Other students, teachers and people in general attended indolent one the negation of one of the universal human rights: freedom of speech and expression. (…I really don’t believe it.)
I don’t know if this paralysis is due to fear, simple incapacity to act/to think or stupid indifference in front of an abuse of power. Maybe I’m not interested in, but I’m sure someone full of my identical indignation will take part of yours initiatives for Andrew.
I will try to follow them from here.
I get angry, I suffer and I support you and Andrew.
Perseverance and good luck, doina.
Pps: please, please, forgive my English!

Jesus! I can´t believe this can happen in public, in front of cameras and politicians in “the land of the free”. John Kerry didn´t speak out to stop it, and all the other students just watching… don´t they understand that for each incident like this your freedom eroded? It´s an attack on everyones rights. YOU might be next. I symphetize wih the american people. Democracy is in serious danger over there. Please wake up now or you will wake up in a police state!

Andrew Meyer is a traitor.

America is the new fascist state. And it,s getting worse and worse and worse…

I can not believe there are people here that don,t see this. How blind can you be? For godsake WAKE UP!!

Hi. Support for Andrew. I’m writing from Croatia. The so called democratic countries are often trying to teach us what democracy is. Well, maybe you should look around. You, by that i mean the states, are acting as the owner of the world. Unless people like Andrew don’t change that. I hope for that.

Re: “Mr. Meyer’s actions were completely out of line and extremely disrespectful”

Last time I checked, the cops aren’t allowed to taser someone for being “disrespectful”…not in the United States, anyway.

that was ridiculous, all of those cops should be fired (but they won’t be, just administrative leave). he did nothing wrong and i personally would like his q’s answered. and as for john kerry, he should of spoke up and told the officers to stop, but why would he do that? then he’d have to answer his q’s

“Free speech” is protected in the United States Constitution. It doesn’t say ANYTHING in there about protecting your perceived “right” to not be offended with what someone says.

Just because you don’t like someone, or think they’re acting like a “jackass” doesn’t give you or anyone else the right or authority, perceived or otherwise, to “escort” them out of the venue, taser them, or lay hands on them.

You people are ignorant and unwise. You have a LOT to learn about freedoms and liberties within the US. I will say for the record that I don’t support what this guy stands for (he is a kerry-supporter, after all), but he has a right to say what he wants to say without being “asked” (FORCED) to leave.

If you don’t like that, there are several other countries where I’m sure you people will be very happy…try Cuba or Venezuela.

Greetings from Norway. We support you Andrew!! The case has been all over the news here, TV and papers.

With the Patriot Act I & II you guys are loosing your civil rights. Increased surveillance, arresting peace demonstrators, police brutality, fixed elections… I went to school in USA, but I am very happy I don´t live there in these times… I feel for you.

I hope you guys see where you are heading. Do something before it´s too late!

You gotta be kidding me. WTF was Andrew Meyers thinking? John Kerry is clearly trying to answer his question but Andrew clearly had another agenda. He wouldn’t shut up and let him answer AT ALL. I would’ve tasered his ass too. They cut the mic, people CHEERED!! If he really wanted to say something to Kerry why not afterward?? Oh, cuz the camera’s weren’t on, that’s why. If you would’ve handled yourself a bit better, maybe your dumb ass wouldn’t have been tasered. What a douche!!

“Andrew Meyer WAS being a disruptive brat, but he was handled in a “tactical fashion”! Instead of treating Andrew with respect, he was treated as a criminal. However Andrew, when the cops gang up on you, SHUT UP. You can’t win this battle, and they will bully with force. Nail them later, and KEEP THOSE CAMERAS ON!”
Comment by David 09.18.07 @ 9:15 am

To this I say – NEVER SHUT UP!!! NEVER!!!

Would you know anything about this blatant infringement on this kid’s rights if he hadn’t tried to defend himself against the oppressive and abusive “authorities” in this situation? NO!! He would’ve been taken away to jail just like they do with every other patriot that “gets outta’ line” at a political event and asks questions that the sheeple don’t want to know the answers to!

NEVER SHUT UP!! Our freedoms, our very lives depend on it!! Thank you, Andrew, for taking one for the team… Now let’s all DO SOMETHING for God’s sake!

I can’t believe anyone is actually arguing that shouting your opinions deserves tasering and arrest. Are you all fucking out of your minds? Last time I checked, shouting was not a crime. If you think it is, you don’t deserve the right to live in a free country.

His fifteen minutes have dragged on waaay too long.
Have Mommy and Daddy pony up the money for the misdemeanor charge of Disturbing the Peace. Then go out and try to get a girlfriend with your dashing new revolutionary image. I’m sure you’ll have lots of success in that department.

This uproar is unbelievable. The kid had his time to speak, he was asked to step down, refused and was escorted off. HE escalated the situation, it is there on your tape. Had he simply yielded and walked away, all would have been fine. Publicity stunt, I say. Large ego on this guy too, look at his webpage. I don’t know, but would guess that this was even planned by him.

Oh, one more thing…

Instead of whining about how our freedoms are being stolen by secret societies, etc. Get out there and do some serious work to solve the problem. Go vote for somebody that will listen to the
American People. Remember, voter turnout has been terrible for some time now.
where you Andrew? Did you vote? Did you remember to bring your voters registration card with you to the polls? I want to hear from the star of this show, are you a member of PETA?
Just asking embarrassing questions here, eh?
Do you know that some wonk wrote a book on how evil we are, and you should read it?!

“Andrew Meyer is a traitor” yeah well thats what King George said about Thomas Jefferson too………America is the greatest county ever, BUT, at one time so was the Roman Empire, think about it…………

This has become acceptable because the last 40 years the American people have bent knee more and more. And now we apparently expect people to blindly listen and follow every command the cops and government give.

I’m sorry but some 300 pound donut pounding jerk that barely passed his entrance exam doesnt deserve the right to dictate other peoples actions. Getting out of line isn’t a crime. Since when is anyones time so valuable that it is a crime to interupt it?

And if you honestly believe that tasering someone for being disruptive is ok, you’re a facist nazi that doesnt deserve to live in a free country. And you are directly responsible for the direction this country is going. I assume you’ll only be happy when everyone does EXACTLY what the government and the police say, never question, always follow.

And if it’s ok to taser people for being disruptive, shall we do something that maybe you’d find outrageous? Lets start tasering children in the class room when they get out of line, so they learn early. Lets start tasering elderly people who get out of hand because of the medicine they’re on. Lets just taser everyone that opens there mouth that is slightly annoying.
Why not? Apparently being annoying or disruptive is a crime now?

You know, I would find this more acceptable if America goes forth and removes the words “free country”, or “freedom”, or “democratic” from every piece of literature that pertains to america. And stop teaching our children that they were born and live in a free society. Because if you think falling in line and doing what a cop says even when it’s absolutely absurd, then you don’t understand or comprehend freedom.

Enjoy following the flock. Personally if I was Andrew Meyers, I would have done something that deserved imprisonment out of rage. Every last one of you that feels the cops did the right thing deserve to be shackeled and enslaved. You’re already enslaved, you just don’t see the shackles yet.

Enjoy your new America, sheep.

Andrew, I really hoped the taser would shut that big mouth of yours. This entire stunt was all about you. If you listen to yourself go off, there is little if any time for anyone to even respond to your tantrum. Screaming, kicking, yelling, complaining. Maybe a lollipop next time?

For those of you that complain that nobody helped. I would have help the police wrestle that little attention whore to the ground.

He may have the right to free speech, but not the right to demand someone else supply a mike.

Once you little babies get a job and have to suport yourselves and pay bills you’ll finally get it.

As usual, you lefty, liberals have taken what has been said and made a blanket statement. Come on, lets start tasering kids, how ridiculous are you. The issue is not about what was said, but how it was said and the actions taken by this individual after it was said. I am not saying that we should blindly follow what the police and/or government says. What I am saying is that you have to respect the badge and the people who where them otherwise we would have anarchy, which apparently is what you, Andrew, would like. The cops did do the right thing based on Andrew’s behavior. Apparently you, and everyone else supporting this idiot, feel that there should be no consequences to your actions. I wonder how many of the people writing in this blog and professing that Andrew’s first amendment rights were violated have actually read and comprehended the constitution. In case you haven’t, I have provided what the actual Constitution says regarding free speech.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

The operative words here is “peaceably assemble”. As soon as Andrew began his tirad and resisting the request of LAW ENFORCEMENT officers to peacefully cease his belligerent and offensive behavior, he surrendered his right to protection under freedom of speech. He ceased being part of and contributing to a peaceful assembly of students and instead attempted to incite the audience into becoming a none peaceful assembly. This is not a right that is protected under the constitution.

I don’t expect you to actually understand this since you most likely have not read the Constitution and clearly you do not comprehend its’ meaning or intent. Instead you wrap yourselves in and profess the right to free speech when in actuality you are totally ignorant of the amendment and its’ meaning.

Oh yeah. If you’re man enough to stand up to “The man”, you should be man enough not to scream like a little girl.

This entire incident was staged by Andrew Meyer for publicity, and all of you people defending him are being suckered. You can see him making sure he’s being videotaped before he starts asking his questions, it’s quite clear he was trying to cause an incident.

And if you think he was tasered because he was shouting his opinions, you haven’t watched the video. He was escorted away from the microphone for shouting his opinions. He was tasered because he violently struggled with the police. This was not some friends escorting him from a fraternity party, you can’t push them and thrash around and try to escape. He was clearly warned to stop struggling or he would be tasered, and he continued to struggle because he wanted to be tasered on camera and get all of you to make him famous.

Violently resisting arrest is a felony, and I hope they make an example of him and send him to jail for a long time. If he had gone peacefully with the police, he would have had a case I would have agreed with, but you can’t fight the cops and say you’re innocent.

How about all you folks from the third world countries shut up. Not your country; not your concern… Get a life and protest events in your own countries. This has nothing to do with free speech, just a publicity seeking idiot out to get his 15 minutes of fame!

What an incredible pussy that has completely pulled one over on all of you idiots.
First, we aren’t talking about “free speech” we are talking about creating a disturbance at a ticketed event. (I would completely agree that the officers were wrong if he were standing out on sidewalk) We aren’t talking about prior restraint and we aren’t talking about a person who has legitimate beliefs.
We are talking about an asshole who came into a room that had cameras and he wanted to make a scene. When he was off camera, he calmed down according to reports.
The police were doing their jobs. He was creating a disturbance and resisting arrest! In a civilized society, one cannot do either of those things and then claim a right to free speech. Where is his speech being protracted? His vid is all over the internet and he has a fucking blog.
This was a private event to which he didn’t even have a ticket.
The idiot is nothing but a guy who obviously didn’t get enough attention as a child and is now a whore for attention on a national level.
At least, if he was going to do this, have some consistency and some balls to take it like a man, if you know what is coming.

Don’t tase me, Bro

too funny

whoever cut off the microphone gave the signal for arrest. so who is that person

I’ve read a lot of blogs or posts out there that
label meyer’s actions as disrespectful.

they were disrespectful and somewhat childish.

but what of it?

he’s a college kid, and quite frankly, college kids act like that. big surprise there, i’m sure… look, the bottom line is tasers hurt like hell. going into a full seizure everytime the cop at the end of the wires pushes a button has got to be fairly frightening.

some one who is disruptive does not deserve this. i mean come on. what would davey crocket think of this?

is our nation so pussified we can’t handle some kid blowing off steam without inflicting severe pain?

now, in conclusion, being that i am of college age, though no longer in school, i will have a nice little tantrum, too.

FUCK AUTHORITY! Christ people, this is serious, do you want to get shocked next time you get a little huffy in public? This is absolutely preposterous and these pigs have to get the clamp down.

I’m starting a new band called “Don’t Tase Me Bro”. Our lyrics will consist of long, posturing rants and the chorus will be a lot of screaming “Ow, ow, ow”. Anybody want to join?

You morons think that free speech is a limitless provision. It doesn’t give you the right to be disruptive.
You think this would have been any better years ago? He could have been dragged out and then whacked with a nightstick until he was compliant. Tazing wears off. He’s fine. He’s also a moron.

John said: “What you whiny liberal whackos fail to realize is that free speech does not give you the right to be disruptive assholes…”

Sorry, John, but that’s exactly what the First Amendment DOES guarantee. The point of our First Amendment rights is to assure that the disruptive assholes won’t be silenced just because their speech is unpleasant, disquieting, or offensive. It has been the disruptive assholes of the world who have made the important changes, including a bunch of disruptive assholes who signed a little document called the Declaration of Independence.
It is when the voices of the dissenters are quashed that tyranny is allowed to take hold in any society.
Andrew Meyer should have been allowed his say. Arresting and tazing him amounts to a civil rights violation, and I hope that every Kampus Kop who participated is fired and sued, along with the suit who ordered their illegal violation of Mr. Meyer’s rights!

Check out my cultural parody of this event at http://www.richardhelms.blogspot.com

From what I could hear from the video recordings, the student asked what seemed to be a vaguely reasonable question and then began what I can only describe as a semi-coherent and pompous rant. When requested to leave the microphone and allow others to question Senator Kerry, he refused and continued with his self-important whining. I agree that the police over-reacted and should probably be disciplined but to call this an assault on free-speech is pathetic. It was the act of a silly, conceited and immature child whose hissy fit was dealt with very badly. Is he an example of the kind of student we can expect to see graduate from UF? Hardly a poster child for intelligent, reasoned and considered discourse was he?

Cops work for us, we DO NOT work for them. A cop tried to disrupt him from his question early on. This is not a policejob. Unless your “The Thought Police” and and USA is a Police State. Oh yeah sorry, I forgot, that’s exactly what it IS!

Now where have I seen all this before. Oh yeah, thats right – Russia. After the Kursk U-boat sank, Russian officials had a pressconference where a upset mother attended. Her boy was one of the young men in the crew who died (after a few days?). She held the military responsible and put them in a real bad light by asking the uncomfortable questions, basicly holding them responsible, in front of the TV-cameras. So what do they do. The military surrond her and a doctor instantly injects some drug in her back. She collapses and the pressconferance carries on.

You either RESIST the police state NOW, or YOU are a part of it. There is no standing by lookin on. You participate in the solution or you are a part of the problem.

What a shocking piece of police brutality – in the country of “free speech”. What a rotten advertisement for the state of politics in the US and Kerry’s lily-livered statement that he has no opinion on the matter. If I were given to hyperbole and hysteria, I’d say that this is the first step in the whole sham edifice of US democracy and freedom crumbling, as it is obviously a veneer. I believe the whole world is shocked and if I were an Iraqi seeing the sort of freedom that the US is trying to impose, I’d rather have a nice military dictatorship any day. Americans, be ashamed.

“Now where have I seen all this before. Oh yeah, thats right – Russia. After the Kursk U-boat sank, Russian officials had a pressconference where a upset mother attended. Her boy was one of the young men in the crew who died (after a few days?). She held the military responsible and put them in a real bad light by asking the uncomfortable questions, basicly holding them responsible, in front of the TV-cameras. So what do they do. The military surrond her and a doctor instantly injects some drug in her back. She collapses and the pressconferance carries on.”

Yeah… that’s exactly what happened here. He asked a stupid question, first of all.
Second of all, if we lived in an anarchist society, as you propose, where would your safety and security come from? Every man for himself, eh? We’d still be in the dark ages then.
Go live with your boy Hugo Chavez if you want to talk about freedom of speech.

SEVERAL POINTS TO PONDER!
TO ALL WHO THINK THIS WAS A PUB STUNT: It is irrelevant that Mr. Meyer had a personal camera filming the incident. Had he not, the incident would have been filmed regardless by one or more of the many other people with cameras seen in the video.

As a licensed Paralegal and wife of an Attorney, the circumstances surrounding Mr. Meyer did not warrant such EXCESSIVE force topped with cruel and unusual punishment by the officers involved. Last time I checked it wasn’t a crime, nor an act of peace disturbance to ask multiple questions, regardless of the tone, intent or manner in which it is posed!
SEN. KERRY is very capable of and was attempting to handle the “situation” by answering the questions asked. As we all know from watching Presidential Addresses, debates, etc., it is not uncommon for media personel to ask multiple questions or explain the reasoning behind the question…you don’t see them being arrested!
MR MEYER! Make sure you include ALL responsible parties in your lawsuit! AN enormous settlement might just put some boundaries on Policing in this Country. There’s nothing like alittle LIS PENDES and the loss of money to wake people up!! FORTUNATLEY, Americans still have the right to recover damages when they are wronged, therefore, HIT ‘EM WHERE IT HURTS MR. MEYERS. GOOD LUCK!

“Yeah… that’s exactly what happened here. He asked a stupid question, first of all.
Second of all, if we lived in an anarchist society, as you propose, where would your safety and security come from? Every man for himself, eh? We’d still be in the dark ages then.
Go live with your boy Hugo Chavez if you want to talk about freedom of speech.”

Nah, what yr doing is called projection and you are only making a ad hominem argument. A stupid question? That yr opinion. I am neither left nor right. If you think people resisting are anarchists per se, boy do have some catching up to do. Safety and security from the state with a deathtoll of +180 million killed by their own state, their own government, during the last century. (Most in the totalitarian states). And countless more sacrificed in wars based on lies and profit, started by the same. I think it’s safe to say that less government means MORE security and a larger chance of survival. Books, read’em kid.

you can’t spell, but you can TALK IN ALL CAPITALS

“you can’t spell, but you can TALK IN ALL CAPITALS”

If that’s important to you, then I suggest you wake up and get your priorities straight. Some things do matter and some things do not.

Being obnoxious and disruptive is not an integral part of the 1st Ammendment. I wasn’t there so I can’t be certain, but it seems that he was asked to leave because he was disrespectful and obnoxious. I’ve watched several different videos and it can easily be heard that the officers are requesting that he cooperate, and he repeatedly refuses, growing increasingly uncooperative. On the NBC vidoe an officer can clearly be heard warning Andrew that if he continues to restist he will be tasered. The officers struggle with him for a bit longer and then Andrew yells his new catch phrase, “Don’t tase me, bro!” Mr. Meyers actions look like a planned publicity stunt. He chose this stunt to direct the media’s attention on himself instead of pointing it toward a worthwhile issue.

This is just a reminder to everyone posting comments and reading comments.

This is not a freedom of speech issue, stop trying to act like it is.

The warnings were clear, there was no excessive force. The kid fought back far too much and the police did what they needed to do in order to get him under control.

Again, this is not about his questions, this is about him making a scene and fighting the police. You can’t expect to swear at them and continually try to get up and run away without them doing what it takes to get you under control.

Whining little baby! And all of the baby supporters make me real sad. Especially little miss ‘wife of an attorney’ (is that supposed to make you qualified? No, leave the useless information at home) who obviously knows nothing about the situation and clearly has not checked her facts about how the event went down.

the way you have be “invited”to stop your question it,s a shame for all free world.
shame on you america!

This kid is a nut-job. He just wanted to get attention and act like an ass. He deserved to be treated the way he was by the police. Next time show a little respect to others around you, INCLUDING the authorities whether you agree with them or not, and you’ll be better off in the end… but wait, that’s not what he wanted – he wanted to make a scene and get man-handled by the cops to get attention and publicity.

If you resist a cop, you will be “man-handled” because in the real world, they’re not gonna tell you in a calm voice “If you don’t calm down mister, I’m gonna put you in time-out… 1… 2…”

The guy set out to create a disturbance, and got exactly what he deserved and wanted.

wasnt kerry there to answer questions? or was he just gonna show his face to the students???
why was meyer pulled off in the first place? so this issue is very much about the freedom of speech. he wasnt allowed to speak.

its very simple..the truth sounds bitter, so dont let it be spoken or heard.
America and its ‘big stick’ policy!!

@eyeball
if kerry had peacefully tried to answer his questions, there wouldnt have been the disturbance. u missed the whole point dude!

I admire you Andrew! Kerry could have stopped this in an instant.
We are organizing a protest. Everyone will be wearing these t-shirts: http://www.cafepress.com/thecrazyirish/2638690. It will be especially great on my little boy

Kerry did try to answer the questions – he was still answering them while Andrew Meyers was struggling with the police. If Andrew Meyers hadn’t been making a spectacle of himself, there wouldn’t have been the disturbance. “u missed the whole point dude!”

This is unbelievable. I cannot even watch this for a second time, it makes me too sick.
You Americans should not longer accept this.

Greetings from Holland

Well Said JohnBo –

“Mr. Meyer was way to full of himself in the way he pushed Kerry. He had a good question and set it up well and then he never gave Kerry a chance to respond. He just went over the top with a run-on rant. I hope he learns something from this about how to rein in his tendency to overpower people with his rant.

That being said, the police acted like pigs. They had already warned him and when he didn’t respond by cutting his rant short, they acted like storm troopers. Cops just don’t like to be ignored. I hope someone tazers the freaking pig that used the tazer on Meyer. Meyer has grounds for a lawsuit and I hope he sues their ass off.”

Comment by Johnbo 09.17.07 @ 11:32 pm

Nice picture on the homepage of a student protest…..from the sixties. What revolution are you talking about?

go read the police report and look for the complete video. What i saw on (the 2:50) second clip was not the whole story and was shown in an attempt to crucify police brutality. The guy was irate and was disrupting the public event. i would say he was not “very” aggressive, the people organizing the event asked the police officers to remove him. If im not mistaken a collage is privet property thus giving the staff every right to remove potential threats.
thanks, Kevin

ps. 10 bucks says this guy goes to jail for assaulting an officer. The police didn’t tase him until he wouldn’t submit his “other arm” to be cuffed. The police did this one by the book, and they didn’t beat the crap out him… no police brutality at all, they did it by the book. Go read the police repot

Hi
Im from germany and i must say that this is a typical reaction in a land that will go in straight direction to a police-state .

Since G.W.Bush (and his “election”) your country lost more n more of freedom and “truth in politics” .

9/11 was horrible but the reaction of politics and most of your news-media too – the result is that in most other countries USA stands not anymore for
freedom and …

(Dont missunderstand me , fighting for freedom and acting for it (everywhere in the world) is absolutlely nassesary – but KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE
is MURDER !)

Once i loved your country and the things it stands for – now I began to hate what your goverment, army and police are doing .

The home of the br… – hahaha .

But there is hope , because not your whole people think and act like G.W. .

Michel Moore is one of your GOOD representators and the guy that is in truth your president Al Gore is too – they are men that let us hope for you !

As you know i am form germany in our history (hitler – if you dont know what i mean) is more than a black shadow – therefore i know about what i am talking about . Dont let this s.it like restriction of the FREEDOM OF SPEAK and so on happen – do something … act against it .

Andrew Meyers punishment is one of the things that tells me somthing is absolutely wrong with your country (but not only in yours – in my i do what i can to speak n act against this …) .

Freedom Lovers Al Over The World – VOTE For The Right Way .

At last – SORRY for my bad english .

He’s a self serving idiot. When arrested shut up, go with the cops – you’ll be back within hours to say what you want. File a lawsuit, do whatever, but when you’re under arrest by law you have to go.

Squealing like a little piggy and obviously gyrating around in order to draw attention to yourself lessens your effect.

right, when meyers was struggling with the police, kerry instead of asking th police to stop – then decided to answer the qs.
people do get upset..after all their country has let them down, but is tasering its citizens a way out??

RECREATE ‘68. google that, do that.

oh and by the way – 7 police officers AND a taser needed to hold down a 21 year old medium built man?
smthings wrong!

Democrats better wake up or else the same thing will happen in 2008 as happened in 2000 and 2004. Democracy in America is eroding.

Whether or not this incident was intentionally set-up by Andrew, it points out the truth of what is happening in our society. There was NO reason for Andrew to be arrested or tasered and John Kerry showed his usual weakness in lacking capability to respond to the incident. Of course, none of the top tier Democratic candidates will say anything about it because they’re busy taking polls and collecting money from the same folks that supported Bush.

Google “andrew meyers police report”; it’s out there. The videos I’ve seen all seem to start in the same place and don’t tell the whole story.

cre,

When’s the last time you attempted to restrain someone who was resisting? It’s not as easy as you seem to think it is.

Ditto on the woulda’ had your back comment had I been there. I think Andrew oughta’ sue the shit outta’ all involved. Kerry was a pussy too for not interceding. My long admiration for U of F has turned to a severe disgust until they make things right with a complete apology and remuneration of some sort.

WAKE UP! He’s a senior and will be looking for employment. This is and was a calculated setup by Mr. Meyer. Don’t think for a minute he won’t capitalize on this incident. Shame on all of you who supported him and recorded the incident. YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED! What better way to get your name and credentials out to the world. He’ll probably end up working for National Inquirer after this. What a sham Meyer, you had us going but the jig is up!

Got what he deserved. Was just going to be escorted out for causing a disruption with his badgering but he blew it out of proportion. They weren’t arresting him until he started resisting. Taser him some more!!!!

I agree….it was an Oscar performance! He had me going until I read this. I think the media should pick up on this. No matter what, the cops would have to subdue him by force. He planned the whole thing!

this was so phony..the idiot was rambling on & on & being extremely beligerent from the start..Its funny how the audience applauds when the cops finally take him away..Police brutality-I don’t think so..If you do what you are told to do then nothing will happen..He should have SHUT his mouth up! End of story! They told him to stop resisting arrest but he didn’t listen to them!! What do you think the police are gonna do to you?? Andrew knew what was gonna happen..
The sad thing is hes gonna sue & probably win, the police are gonna lose their jobs for doing what needed to be done & Andrew is gonna be the new hero on campus..GREAT!!..

I don’t know much about Andrew, but Kerry was Skull & Bones along with many other powerful people. That alone is no reason to distrust the man. Andrew I thought was emotional at the mic but not out of control. They had no reason to put force on him. He should have been allowed to speak, if it was grandstanding then I must applaud Andrew on his insight into the minds of the police. The brutality and tourture of this young man was uncalled for.
We need to wake up America, thay are taking your rights away a little each day.
Support Ron Paul for President, he would not have allowed this to happen at his speech!

if this guy didnt have a history of playing pranks, wasnt going to media school, wasnt going to start looking for a job, and still asked the same questions and did the same things the police would have reacted the same way.

Its sad, all this country uses is police (and military) force.

I once lost my baggage on an american airline and they called me in to the airport 4 days in a row saying they had my bag, but everytime it was a ‘call made in error’ on their part, and the 4th day when i got really upset and raised my voice at the officials for harrasing me by calling me to the airport everyday, I was shoo-d out of the airport by the police

I am happy im just a student in this police-state and wil leave soon

FYI Eric – my point was 7 policeman AND a taser?

I may be mistaken (it’s happened before), but I don’t think Kerry had the authority to tell the officers what to do. He’s a Senator of Massachusetts, not Florida.

Hank, I’m sure Andrew didn’t need to set this up for employment purposes. While it is possible that he did set it up, we don’t know.

In any case, it still demonstrates what is going on in America today. If you try to speak up, you’re usually not given a voice. When it takes big money and clout to get airwaves, most of us do not have a voice. I think Andrew’s actions were far more courageous than those of the wimps in Congress who should be tasered.

I doubt he would win since he has a history of this kind of stuff. He knew how to play the cops until they would have to take him down. He did it strictly for the publicity. If the students stand behind him they are about as dumb as a box of rocks. I’ve seen people get tasered for far less than what he did. Cops showed excellent restraint and were just going to escort him out of the building. They should also charge him with battery on an officer because in all of his resisting he kicked and hit officers. They could have sprayed him with pepper spray too but they didn’t. He deserved getting his butt whipped. He did it for the attention. He did it for recognition. He did it for HIS future.

Most people will stop resisting after the
“resist-er to resistee ratio” becomes overwhelming. This guy didn’t. The next step was a Taser. It served its purpose – he complied and there is no harm done. Yes, it hurts like hell, but it’s not like he is burned or brain damaged as a result.

If Andrew does get a job out of this, all the power to him. I’ve seen his site, read what he stands for, and I like what I see.

Who cut his mic? Those are the sensors. Who sent the cops up to escort him out? Those are the sensors. You can bet your butt that there would be extra security on hand for the speaker. Meyers knew this and played it to the hilt. Next time you get robbed or raped call McDonalds. Unless you have worked in law enforcement you have no idea what you are talking about. So I guess the cops should have stood there and get kicked and punched without reacting. Go to Iraq, they’ll shoot you for that. This ain’t Iraq and this is far from a police state.

Andrew,

Meyers wasn’t under arrest when the officers approached him. He didn’t get “dragged out and arrested for asking questions”, he got dragged because he didn’t leave when he was told told to.

“There were other ways of removing Meyers from the room without arrest and tasering.” Again, he wasn’t under arrest or tasered until he fought the police.

“And since when does getting out of line justify arrest and a taser to the stomach?” Getting out of line didn’t get him arrested, his questions didn’t get him arrested, fighting with the police got him arrested. And he didn’t get taserd in the stomach, it was on the shoulder.

“They are definately keep society safer by taking an educated college student to jail for questioning our government.” The entired incident occured because the event organizers told Meyers and others who were waiting in line that there would be no more time for questions. Meyers apparently didn’t think this applied to him. That is when the police were asked to remove Meyers.

Get the whole story before you start yelling “Nazi!”

That’s incredible !!
From France, we already think that USA is not a democraty anymore for a few years (we’re not in a really best position by the way and I don’t want to give the impression to be “moralizator”). I hope for this young guys that a will be free soon.
Nowadays, media are controlled by big company’s and their brothers the politician. Hopefully we have internet but for how many times ? The new political and economic model is China. Cops everywhere and prison for guys who speak to much. Next step is working camp…
In this video, we can see the “courage” of this 5 policemen, shame on them.
In France, this fucking weapon is arriving with all the consequences. It’s so easy for policeman to hurt you without reasons with this fucking gun.
Fight for your right guys with no mercy !!

“If Andrew does get a job out of this, all the power to him. I’ve seen his site, read what he stands for, and I like what I see.
Comment by Peter Newburger 09.19.07 @ 10:50 am”

Then he should run for office and change things not fight them. As far as I am concerned, open doors or not, he could go about it in other ways and get better results. Oh yeah, he was able to do that because he can here in America, go to France and see what happens.

I saw the video. The cops were more than patient with the guy until he started resisting. In fact, I don’t think anything would have happened if he just left the building, even after he tugged a bit. As for the comment about a set up, I agree, it was one of those attention getters. Cops these days have far more restraint than they did 10 years ago. They have to articulate everything. If he had rushed the stage he may have been injured worse, so preventive measures were taken since no one knows this guy from anything. Find something else to support like hunger here in the US!

The guy is a pathetic attention-whore. If any protest movement embraces this schmuck it loses all credibility.
Getting 15 minutes of fame is all this guy wants. And he’s doing it on the backs of people who truly want change. Shameful.

He’s a mope. I believe he planned the whole thing and would have gone to any extent to attain the same results.

Many people seem to be freaked out by Tasers. I, for one, would much rather get zapped with a Taser than douched with pepper spray or mace, and I’ll choose either of those over getting whacked with a police baton. This is most assuredly not police brutality.

Also, a greater number of officers does note mean more severe force is being inflicted. Imagine if one officer had attempted to restrain him instead of the group. If there are multiple officers assisting, everyone can grab a limb to effectively deliver restraint with little damage done. One officer forced to do the work of a group will have to resort to more forceful restraint.

This guy sucks and I’m glad he was tasered. He’s acting like a schmuck and living up to certain group stereotypes, if you know what I mean.

Why didn’t anyone taser Tim Russert when he asked Kerry if he was Skull&Bones? Why didn’t anyone go round to see Alexandra Robbins and taser HER?
I did not notice him do anything illegal just before the cops move in. What did he do? You Americans are stuffed. Welcome to the NWO. Habeus Corpus is defunct = no legal right to question any charges brought against you.
You seem to be sleepwalking as you did not do anything when your rights were being eroded in the name of the false war on terrorism and now they have been eroded. Wake up…please. for if thou shalt not awake, then thou shalt be dead.

You people are ignorant and sad. You sit there behind your computer, listening to your Ipod, watching MTV in HD, and have the nerve to call America a police state. You don’t know the meaning of those words.

You are the fucking “sheep”. Falling in line to decry the “pigs” without even getting the facts first. Only getting information from one sided, bias sources.

If you have done any research, you’d realize this Andrew guy is a joke. He wasn’t there to pose a serious question. He when there to cause a scene and get his face on tv. Did you even see the video after they got him into the hall? He was saying the cops where going to kill him. And you dumbfucks BOUGHT INTO IT.

And you people who declare him a freedom fighter who is standing up to a oppressive regime are a disgrace to America. It really cheapens people who have actually suffered through real oppression and have fought hard to win freedom for the oppressed.

This is a product of the MTV generation. Whiney, selfish brats who have too much time on their hand. You’re too old for high school drama, but too young to be a part of the real world. You want to fight, yet have nothing to fight for, so like the blind sheep you are, you line up on demand to fight a made up enemy. You people have seriously got to get a clue.

guy is a pathetic attention-whore – Getting 15 minutes of fame is all this guy wants .

!!! that doesent matter !!!

He’s a self serving idiot.

… and so on …

!!! that doesent matter !!!

the ONLY thing that matters is freedom and rights !!!

if the reaction on words (agressive ore not) is violence – then something is massive wrong !!!

if people think this is a funny storry – they dont know what realy going on .

if an us-agency is hacking Wikipedia and a man who
asking questions is brutaly … by the police – then … – !!! think !!!

“Why didn’t anyone taser Tim Russert when he asked Kerry if he was Skull&Bones? Why didn’t anyone go round to see Alexandra Robbins and taser HER? I did not notice him do anything illegal just before the cops move in. What did he do? You Americans are stuffed. Welcome to the NWO. Habeus Corpus is defunct = no legal right to question any charges brought against you. You seem to be sleepwalking as you did not do anything when your rights were being eroded in the name of the false war on terrorism and now they have been eroded. Wake up…please. for if thou shalt not awake, then thou shalt be dead.”

Did you look at a complete video or read the police reports? Have you read a significant number of posts in this forum? I’ve already addressed this in a previous post. Meyers and between 12 and 20 other students were standing in line to ask questions when event organizers told them there was no more time for questions. This is when Meyers begins to play to the media. Get some more facts before you start claiming we Americans “are stuffed”.

really Mike, you seem to have a thorough understanding of the country’s policies. Why dont u give us a lesson or two.
Why is ur country fingering every other country..especially the ones that have oil.
Why is ur country out to straighten every other country?
Why did u spend 500 billion on a fruitless war and end up with trillions in debt?
You will have no answers.

To Alf,

The taseing wasnt a reaction to words. The taseing was a reaction to resisting arrest. The arrest was in reaction to refusing to leave the building. Being asked to leave the building was in reaction to disrupting the meeting. Do you not see the logical progression of events? He distrupted the meeting, he was asked to leave. He wouldn’t leave, so he was placed under arrest. He resisted arrest and fought the cops, so he got tased.

CRE

I have an answer, it’s because our president is an idiot.

Cre,

what does any of what you’re blabbering about have to do with the Andrew Meyers – Taser incident? You’re a little off topic.

To Mike

how many police officers are nassesary to arrest a harmless guy ?

with this his “resist” against his arrest he has to pay with taseing ?

whats wrong ?

To A

As many as it takes.

And why should the cops risk bodily harm trying to subdue the guy, that’s why they have taser in the first place.

And why are people making such a huge deal about tasing? It’s not like he got shot in the face, yet everyone reacting like he did. He got tased, boo hoo, he’ll live, that the point of the taser. People are such bleeding heart pussies.

JUST WATCHING THIS AT FIRST YOUR SHOCKED THEN YOU ARE VERY ANGRY!!! TASERS are being abused
by incompetent egotistical people in power positions. The corporations that sell these devices are promoting them as safe, When in fact, tazers have the power to do fatal injury and have killed over 200 people so far. We need a citizens class action suit against the police and the corporations abusing this weapon. I feel I have been psychologically abused just watching this crap.

OH BY THE WAY THE GERNERAL PUBLIC CAN BUY THESE TO
THEY EVEN COME IN PINK.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/24/taser-internationals-c2-taser-on-sale-now/

While we’re not exactly sure whether to be pleased or concerned that Taser International recently posted record quarterly sales, the firm’s C2 consumer stun gun is nevertheless hitting the market. As of this week, civilians who fear for their life or have severely rambunctious children can snap up the C2 at a number of retail locations, and those interested can look forward to wires that fire 15-feet and carry 50,000-volts in order to “temporarily incapacitate a person.” Interestingly, Taser must know that there’s quite a few proactive ladies that are pondering a purchase as well, as the consumer C2 will reportedly be available in a variety of colors — including pink. Hurry it up, grab one before your friends. http://doctoranonymous.blogspot.com/2007/01/taser-for-sale.html

What’s so sad is that this happens every day to black americans around the country and we are only now waking up due to it happening to a young white male at a university. I’m certainly not saying that this isn’t horrible and shouldn’t be dealt with but…this shit has been going on for YEARS. Thank God the public is waking up.

This isnt a freedom of speech issue. He was free to speak and ask his questions. He doesnt have a constitutional right to be at that forum. The university is not public property and if an administrator asks the police to remove an individual they have the right to do so. That individual doesnt have a right to disobey a lawful order given by an officer. Remind me again where in the constitution it says that we have the right to stand wherever we want? The officers asked him to leave. He didnt and that is why he was arrested and he continued to fight the police and that is why he was tased.

Eric: “You say Meyers and between 12 and 20 other students were standing in line to ask questions when event organizers told them there was no more time for questions.”

I have read many posts here and if I didn;t fully understand the details around this incident by the posts I just read then I do now after you have kindly informed me. However, my reaction is this: So what if they said no more questions? So what? American universities have a long and illustrious history of not following the line of authority and asking one more question with a book as reference to that question, is not what anyone would call inciting riot or even disrupting a public forum (I didnt hear anyone else tell him to sit down) or even being rebellious to the point that it was dis-tasteful to the average citizen. That, and the fact that Kerry was happy to answer his question shows that the first part of your comment to me is NOT one that carries much weight.

Secondly and lastly, so what if he was grandstanding? Trying to attract attention? So what? Why is that a crime and why is it not a crime when TV “celebrities” pull attention seeking stunts on a daily basis to further their career? People seem to have a problem with Andrew Meyer seeking attention if infact that was what he was doing.

Let me tell you. The REAL crime which NOBODY has EVER EVER said ANYTHING about and people like you Eric are too self absorbed to both figure out and/or conceive of, is that if John Kerry AND G W Bush BOTH belonged to the same secret order of Skull and Bones this means that they BOTH attended the SAME lodge as each other so, 1) how is it possible that they were allowed to run against each other without there being a public outcry about conflict of interests and 2) most importantly, did it ever occur to you that the Grand Master of that same lodge would have had either some say or the final say as to who actually was going to win the election? He got to choose. Nobody, I mean nobody, especially GW Bush or John Kerry was in ANY position to argue with the Grand Master of the lodge they belonged to as relatively low-order, low-degree members, despite Bush’s father and Prescott Bush being members also. I have done years of extensive research into Masonic orders and such like orders, and so I DO know what I am talking about.

I am confidently going to reiterate what I said before. You might think you know what is going on and its all OK. You might get your info about conspiracies etc… from popculture and youtube etc… ad you think you know all there is to know and even fob it off….but if you have done your research as I have from serious academic studies into the machinations of the organisations that steer all manner of policy in America, you would understand why I say again that if thou doest not awake from your slumber and acceptance of the dumbing down of America and the compliance to authority of the American citizens, then thou SHALT be very dead indeed.
If you still dont understand what I am saying or do not believe it, then thats OK Eric. I can leave well enough alone. I am not here to convince you…..only advise you. That’s all.

The police over-react – i think your sight of the event and your position to violence is typcal for the US (?) .

In germany this Policeman are fired off there jobs –
we dont have your violence and murder in our country .
And two policeman can handle one acting guy .

>>> It’s not like he got shot in the face,..

This needs repeating over and over again:

“One million people dead in Iraq is appalling. Five hundred billion dollars of our tax dollars spent on the military anually is appalling. Carrying a federal debt we can barely afford to pay the interest on is appalling. Nine trillion in the hole is appalling. A weak dollar is appalling. A collapsing prison system is appalling. GMO crops in mass production with no public dialogue and no label is appalling. Stolen elections are appalling. Habeas Corpus gone bye-bye appalling. The mockery of our constitution under the guise of protection is appalling.

You my friend, are appalled by the wrong things. Please wake up.”

Rock on to those who have woken up!

DontThinkForYourself.com

This is a perfect example of cops breakin gup a peaceful event. Emotions run high at political rallys and cops make them worse. Its about time we look into how many rights law enforcement have and maybe create some regulations. This needs to stop at Andrew Meyer.

Travel Abroad, read, learn other languages, the center of the universe doesn’t revolve around American and Americans. I am an American living in Italy and see how Americans live in such a fog. An idea of democracy or freedom.. and what for … “your homes to be taken because you can’t no longer pay your mortgage, your ever increasing school loans… or no wait.. maybe your health insurance bills.. .. if you can even afford health insurance.. and let’s not forget the house insurance, car insurance, theft insurance..” And as an American I can see both sides.. living in Europe has opened my eyes to what the rest of the world sees, the states for what it is. Guns being sold, living to only make $$ to make ends meet to want more things.. to consume and to buy and so on.

For the ignorant people out there,… calling other country 3rd world countries, and those saying “If America is so bad, why do people continue coming over here”… WEll let me tell you something…

1. People from 3rd world countries as you say (ignorant.. they are called developing countries) … might be poor, have corruption.. but they truly have more than what you have.. which is a clear understanding of their country and they are not blinded by all THE BS.. from the media.. or whatever

2. People go to America to visit, to travel there, to see the people, see its geography, to see its culture.. and be able to put two and two together.. from what they watch in the news to what the reality is.. and unfortunately the two directly match..

JUST ASK yourself how many Americans, speak other languages, dare to travel to other countries (please dont count those ridiculous cruises)truly seen the culture, and spoke out against what they didnt believe..

Little… And well Andrew.. at least could say he did one of those.. and it was to speak out.. whether in a polite, loud, out place way.. point being he spoke out.

MOVE ABROAD! OR STAY THERE and CHANGE SOMETHING!
FOR all those yipee do da Americans.. Please.. don’t continue to be ignorant and open your eyes to the reality.

CIAO.. ( future is THE EU).. American in Rome!
ALE

Lets all cut the crap, we radical students need to admit that we want a communist state in America, that we really want to bring down the American way of life and endorse the oppression of the masses!! stop pretending we are anything else but anti-American radicals!! Thank you to those who have the nads to stand up and embrace all radical, revolutionary thinking, except those who advocate revolution against the revolutionarys.

to ALE

the world is to close together now to say that >>future is THE EU.. American in Rome!

Americans have there WAY OF LIFE .
Guns are free to everyone – no social-system – miltary dominated grow up for children – company dominated politics (the great danger for every country) .

Murder-death-kills are verry verry high – violence rules there lifes – most relevant news-media are not independent – FBI-CIA and so on do what they want – war against other countries with no legitim reason is normal and nobody laments (no weapons of mass destruction in IRAK – 9/11 is not initialized
by the IRAK – no IRAK men has harmd and american -
….

I can understand being “passionate” about something, even though that is a word used more than Bean-o on burrito night, but when does being “passionate” enable someone to be a loud mouthed jerk?

John Kerry has always been a piece of sh*t. Besides that, Meyers asked some questions and the one they didn’t like, Skull and Bones, the cops come to remove him from the podium. His mic. gets cut by Accent. I disagree with Meyers about Clinton’s impeachment as if it was only for a blowjob, more like lying about a pattern of abusing his power with women. But I wouldn’t want him silenced and tased. That’s not what America has been about. Some say he wanted attention, laughing in the police car (according to report), then let him ask his f*cking questions! I have to wonder if Kerry’s people signaled the cops to apprehend and taze him. He’s not used to being asked embarrassing questions like that from what should be a friendly liberal audience. He’s just another illiberal liberal. CLARK, Gainesville, FL

John Kerry has the brains, but not the heart to be a leader and the President. A great President stands up for justice, even if that doesn’t make him popular. Remember JFK, Lincoln and Roosevelt.

I wonder if John Kerry and other senators and congressmen get tasered when they get passionate during a question and answer session and go over their time limit?

Yeah, I’m being sarcastic. Because it doesn’t happen. And Dick Cheney was never tasered for cursing at congress either.

Keep up the Protest!

BRAVO Clark

it doesent matters if he is an idiot ore his intensions are publicity (i dont belive that) .

He can speak free – and i think this doesent happens
in Carrys home – so he as every right to ask (especialy because Carry whants to represent the people of the country)

The student was tortured and arrested under Kerry’s nose for asking a question at an open microphone. The reaction to the incident will determine whether Americans have become Nazis and whether America has become Nazi Germany.

Sorry for CARRY i mean Kerry !

I am from germany and sometimes i wonder how natzi-germany could happen – and then i look at things like teasing a student by x cops as he insist in anwering his question to a politician.

… America has become Nazi Germany … is wrong and crazy – nothing compares to that old-dark-times .

But america is on his way down to dictatorship of companys (oil,weapons,…) and a few ill and powercrazy men .

where does this end …

@Alf:

Has America *really* become Nazi Germany? I think you are being a bit dramatic, much like this dumb student was. Let us keep the Nazi comments in check, I do not think one worthless attention whore being tasered really compares to, oh, you know, the torture and murder of an estimated 5 or 6 MILLION. You fail. You lose. Please destroy your computer with your face. That goes for everyone who has compared it to Nazi Germany. No comparison.

@A

It is only “nassesary” for one policeman to take down a student..one policeman with a taser! You can call him harmless in hindsight, but he was pretty damn worked up and he broke away from the cops and moved TOWARDS the stage, so while he could be harmless, I rather an innocent person be tased than a harmful person rush the stage and attack Kerry. You have to look at it from the police’s point of view, what they are trained to look for. Kerry is infinitely more important than this dumb student, so Kerry’s safety was put first. And the kid didn’t listen to the police. Watch the videos, he had it coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

Look at the damn video, he resisted. If you have eyes you can see it. Yes, if you resist being arrested then you do have to pay for it with a shock of electricity. That is how it works. Now you know! And so does he!

You stupid leftist faggots are the reason we have Bush in office now. You make liberal people look like nut cases. No one wants nut cases running the country, so they vote conservitive. Conservatives may be evil, but at least they are rational. Rational people want to change the direction America is going, then you screw it up for everybody. You’re like the antiabortionist that blow up abortion clinics. Or islamist fundalmentalist that fly planes in the building. You try to make your point in a radical way, but end up making things worse for your cause.

The cops were completely justified no matter how you try to spin this. This Andrew is lucky. I would have decked him if I was there.

I want to go into each of your houses, act like a total dick, and say, “You can’t do anything about it, it’s America, this is a free country.”

Remember, if we get another neocon in 08, it’s going to be YOUR FAULT.

GOD DAMN IT, HOW DARE YOU FUCKS MAKE ME SIDE WITH BILL O’REILLY.

@Alf

Can you not see that he wasnt tasered for asking questions? He was tasered because he resisted officers as they tried to escort him from the building. He doesnt have a constitutional right to be in any building he wants. The officers asked him to leave and he didnt. He disobeyed the officer and the situation escalated from there based on his actions, not his words.

Was this the United States or Nazi Germany?

And we don’t need political advice from the people who brought us Hitler, Stalin, or Moussolini.

@Ruth

Andrew’s freedom of speech was not violated. In fact he is still free to speak his mind. He was asked to leave university property and refused to do so. He doesnt have a constitutional right to be on university property when asked by a law enforcement officer to leave.

Next time Sally field says “god damn” on national TV we need to tase her too,

what if this kid would have been black?

where is Al Sharpton anyway?

@Nick

You are still stupid enough to believe he was tased becasue what he was saying and not becasue he was disobeying a law officer?

I see we have two Mike’s.

There is no point talking sense to these people. They would rather remain blissfully ignorant of the facts. It’s sad that these people actually get to vote. Maybe they’ll forget to vote on election day because Diddy’s new album drops.

It’s sad people are putting this douche nozzle on par with Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King. These people make baby Jesus cry.

Hitler? My great-grandparents were killed by Hitler because of those who stood like Kerry two days ago and did nothing while the innocent were taken away.

The police tortured the student right in front of Kerry and Kerry did nothing. Kerry called on the student to ask the question and the student was tortured for asking the question. This was sick and beyond human. Anyone who supports this kind of sickness are no different than those who applauded the crimes of the Nazis.

To answer Ruth’s question, THIS LOOKS A LOT LIKE NAZI GERMANY.

@Mike

I like you! Thank you for also having common sense.

Again. For all you new people.

THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUE! THIS IS A ‘KID IS TOO STUPID TO LISTEN TO THE POLICE AND GETS WHAT HE DESERVED’ ISSUE!

The end.

Oh, and @Joey

Cheney deserved much worse than a taser. He deserves to be shot in the face. Not for saying fuck..but for..shooting someone in the face.

Mike – the point is that the police do not have any right to tell him to leave .

This was a school not Karrys home and it was a public event – so what …

And his little resist doesent make it nessesary to tease him – especialy later arrest him .

But what i see is that we taking about that from a
different point of view – i dont think that Anrews
acting is a correct reason to answer with that form of violence .

Are you an American – then i understand (look at my comments before) …

How sick can a person be not to know that what happened to the student on Monday was an act of fascism and tyranny?

My great-grandparents were also killed in Nazi Germany by people like those who now support the actions of the police and John Kerry.

This is an issue of free speech and torture of the innocent.

Read the release from America’s greatest hero, the guy who proved Gore won Florida in 2000 and the same guy who wrote the yellow book.
Student Tasered for Armed Madhouse Question to Kerry
“[Palast] said you won the 2004 election – isn’t that amazing?
There were multiple reports of disenfranchising of Black voters on the day of the election in 2004 in Florida and Ohio. … How could you concede the election on the day?”

by Greg Palast
Watch the Video

We warned you: ‘Armed Madhouse’ is a dangerous book. Yesterday, Andrew Meyers, a University of Florida student was attacked by five cops, zapped with tasers and arrested after demanding that Senator John Kerry answer the question.

Meyers, just released from jail and now facing five years in prison for resisting arrest, held up a copy of the book and began,

Student to John Kerry: “I want to recommend a book to you. It’s called ‘Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast.’ He’s the top investigative journalist in America.”

Kerry: “I have the book. I’ve already read it.”

Student: “… In this book, it says there were 5 million votes and you won the election. … How could you concede the election on the day?”

Meyers, a telecommunications student at the Gainesville campus, asked related questions including a query as to why Kerry refused to vote for impeachment. When he passed his alloted one minute mic time, five cops jumped him, threw him to the ground, shot him with taser shockers.

Kerry, true to character, stood immobile.

Now, I’ve given many talks. And some questioners have taken too long at the mic. But I’ve never done the Stalin thing of cops and electronic beating to limit the discussion. (Yes, it’s true that Randi Rhodes recently threatened me with a taser when I’ve monopolized the mic in her studio.)

The Washington Post reported only that Meyers was holding a “mysterious yellow book.” VERY mysterious.

I would note that enchained student was busted in Alachua County, Florida, where, six years ago, I uncovered massive, systematic and utterly illegal disenfranchisement of Black voters – ordered by Gov. Jeb Bush’s office just before the 2000 election. (“Florida’s Disappeared Voters,” February 2001, The Nation.) Alachua remains under federal scrutiny for its long history of racial bias against Black voters.

I must admit I feel some appreciation for Meyers, especially because, even while he was being shot with untold amps of electricity, until he was handcuffed, he would not let go of his mysterious yellow book, ‘Armed Madhouse.’

Hear the update live tonight on the new “Palast Report” on Air America Radio. The Palast Report will now broadcast every Tuesday night, at 9:30pm, on Richard Greene’s new weeknight show, “Clout.”

And get America’s most SHOCKING book, the New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: From Baghdad to New Orleans — Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild (Penguin 2007).

Subscribe to Palast’s writings and view his investigative reports for BBC Television’s Newsnight, at http://www.GregPalast.com.

This is a copy of an email sent to Mr. Meyer. His inbox is full and returning mail.

Hello Mr. Meyer,

Let me start by introducing myself. I went to school directly across the street from the Rodney King Trial. My friends and myself attacked the KKK representative that brought his own podium, microphone, 250 watt P.A. and mixing board with a 5 H.P. Honda generator to power it all, set up and stood in the middle of the courthouse steps and spoke for 9 hours while 113 police officers bearing full riot gear stood around him and protected him the entire time he spoke. Needless to say we were tasered and maced.

My friends and I were present in the courthouse when the officers that beat Rodney King were exonerated.

My friends and I were present in Los Angeles throughout the entire Los Angeles Revolution; I’m sorry riot (I must be politically correct here.)

We participated and observed the first real attempt at full scale American Revolution in hundreds of years.

So this is just a small taste of the background in which I approach you.

Knowing this; Please, I repeat PLEASE read this carefully.

YOU ARE THE TORCH BEARER.

Once every so many years God (or whatever energy in this universe that represents that which we choose to label God) chooses a single torch bearer. They do not come around to often and they are obviously coming in far greater intervals as we choose to ignore them more and more.

These torch bearers have the torch for a very limited time and usually (in the name of emotion, dramatics, fear and loss of momentum) drop the ball.

PLEASE DON’T DROP THE BALL ON THIS ONE MY FRIEND.

The whole world has it’s attention on you. I know this is a lot to ask and it is a ridiculously enormous responsibility to take on, but you started something must finish.

This may change the whole coarse of the world. People are watching you in small villages in Africa and in London, Paris, Moscow, Beijing.

You are the one.

That being said; you not only need the best JEWISH lawyer money (at least your money if not other peoples money; remind me to get into that later.)

BUT you also need a DETACHED ADVISER (I would be honored to have this position and am more than well equipped to handle it if you so choose.)

FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT: You need to get your student body to stop trying to force the university to change their policy and to drop the charges.

You need to go to court on this. The exposure is much needed. Do not worry; you will never be prosecuted or do any time on this. I know this. There is no jury in the world that would unanimously come together with a guilty vote on this; think about it.

In fact you should encourage the P.D. to go ahead with the charges.

I know right away you may think I am a nut, but the more exposure the better on this. You need to make them fell like the idiots they are, they fucked up and they got caught, now they simply need to pay for the crime.

Hopefully you are still reading. Please bear with me on this. This is more important than you will ever realize.

SECOND AND AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT: Don’t lose the momentum on this thing. Do your best to keep it going. The people you are dealing with are MASTERS at killing momentum. In fact 99% of law enforcement training is based on diffusion of momentum. It is key in killing these issues and pacifying the masses.

Please go into this knowing you are dealing with people that are not only professionals but completely detached from the emotion. This is the clincher. When you are detached and non-emotional it is more than 100 times easier to deal with and diffuse these things. (Make them just go away.)

I know am being very brief and to the point but I am trying to get the keys in your hand so we can move through this quickly and easily.

After all this exact moment is key in the momentum (sorry I keep using that word, but it is the key to this thing.)

THIRD AND AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT: DON’T LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT!!!!
Yes freedom of speech and yes the right not to be assaulted by a civilian “law enforcement agency” BUT: YOU HIT THEM EXACTLY WHERE IT HURTS MY FRIEND.
You brought up the Bones and the cloud of Politics (funny the word politics is Latin for many blood-sucking insects).

You asked the question in a public forum in what just happened to be the right place and right time THE QUESTION that 10’s of millions of us out here have been literally dying to ask our entire miserable existences. YOU DID IT.

So in keeping with the need to keep this timely I am going to leave you here. (There is much more). But please deeply consider this letter and these points. And please seriously consider (and hopefully act on the Jewish Lawyer and having myself as an adviser; I would be willing to fly out with a small team if need be.)

LASTLY; BREATHE, STAY GROUNDED, DON’T LOSE TRACK OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL, MOVE LIKE A BLACK CAT THRU A DARK ALLEY.

YOU WILL SUCCEED

YOU CANNOT FAIL.

@Alex

So its ok for individuals to ignore requests of law officials now? They asked him to leave the building and he refused to do so then put up resistance when they tried to physically remove him. Saying he was tasered for askign the question is just showing your ignorance of the situation.

What the hell is that:

I like you! Thank you for also having common sense.

Again. For all you new people.

THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUE! THIS IS A ‘KID IS TOO STUPID TO LISTEN TO THE POLICE AND GETS WHAT HE DESERVED’ ISSUE!

The end.

Again: i dont think that Andrews
acting is a correct reason to answer with that form of violence .

And 1.st of all: the point is that the police do not have any right to tell him to leave .
This was a school not Karrys home and it was a public event .

I wish I was there to see that weasle get tasered. Tasers Rule!

He was asked to leave because he was speaking more than a “one liner”. John Kerry was saying “It’s ok” when a ruckus was being made over this young man going over “some” time limit. The police removed him for speaking despite John Kerry saying “it’s ok.” The young man stood up for his right to speak. He was tasered for standing up for his right to speak on a univeristy campus (where if the reports are true he pays to be there and where he possibly lives)to a congressman that represents the entire nation.

Manipulations abound – this man was tasered for standing up for his right to speak more than a “one liner” to a congressman that represents this entire country.

Had this been a legitimate removal of a student then the question at hand is not whether this student was acting like a “jerk” or whether you agree with cruel and unusual treatment towards others. The question is did these officers, from whom we expect more honorable behavior than cruelty and from whom we expect a reasonable enforcement of justice, act beyond what was reasonably needed to remove this individual without harm to themselves or others.

From the video footage I have seen thus far I witnessed a lone female officer tasering the young man as he lie on the floor and several other police officers appeared to be sitting on him and had his hands already controlled behind his back. Handcuffs abound – the picture more seemingly resembles an officer holding a taser charge to a man’s body to spite a man she finds a jerk instead of just doing her job and what is needed to REASONABLY bring order and enforce justice.

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There seems to be a lot of people in this forum who continue to perpetuate the situation at hand that is If you don’t have thousands of dollars for a bilboard or a tv commercial you don’t belong to be heard.
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Yeah nick, good luck getting help from Al Sharpton. He doesn;t have a history of fighting for civil rights or equality he has a history of racism and descrimination and is only concerned if a person is being harassed of his race and color that he can exploit.

@Alex

Your great-grandparents want to thank you for comparing their death to a spoiled kid being tasered. Not tortured, tasered. And he deserved it, he provoked it.

Glad you respect your family! While you say this looks a lot like Nazi Germany, I really don’t think you are nearly old enough or smart enough to know what Nazi Germany really was like.

Almost seems like someone should be mentioning Godwin’s Law about now…maybe? I think the comparison is quite inappropriate.

@Alf

Why dont the police have a right to remove an idividual from University property when asked to do so? The student doesnt have a constitutional right to be on the property so the owners of said property DO have the right to have the police remove them.

@Alf

The police were told to remove the student by the school, so you are incorrect. Since the school requested it, they had the right. There was no “little resist” – he resisted non stop the whole time, he was on the ground on his stomach and then tries to get up and roll onto his back before being tasered. He tried to break away several times. Little my ass!

@Raul

You FAIL.

I realize I am not a moderator of this forum but this is a really important event here. Please let the forum breathe. Please try to limit comments to necessary advice and key points. This is no place for a ridiculous pre-pubecent diatribe.

Oh yeah, and for all that people that think you must always listen to police officers. In case no one shared with you how you are able to have the freedoms you have today, it is because people like the fore fathers of this country, Martin Luther King Jr, Ghandi and other civil rights protesters defied officer orders and excercised their freedoms and rights in many peaceful protests. And yes they were persecuted and sprayed with fire hoses, and beat and much more. Oh yes, and there where people at that time also saying things similar to “they should have listened to police” and “why are they making such a ruckus”

Meyer launched into a lengthy, somewhat meandering series of questions that amounted to this:

Why did Kerry concede the 2004 presidential election? Why not impeach President Bush? Was Kerry a member of the same secretive society at Yale University as Bush?

Reminded he was to ask only one question, Meyer responded: “He’s talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.”

According to the official police report, Meyer was accompanied to the meeting by a woman who was there to film him and, as he took the microphone, he asked her: “Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?”

The report also said that, after the arrest, Meyer’s “demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight. Meyer did ask, at one point, if the cameras were going to be at the jail.”

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BACKGROUND

Andrew Meyer has been described as “a known prankster who often posts practical jokes online.”

SO FINAL QUESTION – DEAL OR NO DEAL?

@Joey

You use a key word when talking about MLK Jr and Ghandi (Come on…we are really comparing an attention whore to GHANDI? For fucks sake…baby jesus isn’t just crying, he is trying to claw his way back into the womb to avoid all of this shit)

PEACEFUL

this kid was not peaceful. You cannot deny this, look at him FIGHTING to break free. If he was peaceful AND they tased him then I would have a problem with that, but he wasn’t peaceful so he got shocked. Your argument is invalid.

Another FAIL!

This is kinda fun, thanks kids!

Those of us descended from those killed in Nazi Germany know that Hitler only got away with it because the people let them.

What happened was torture. There is no doubt of that to reasonable minds.

The Jews, like my great-grandparents, weren’t the first ones they got. Before them, they got those who asked questions, like Andrew Meyers.

This poem deals with the subsequent sequence. The communists were taken away after Hitler’s 9/11.

First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the sick, the so-called incurables, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t mentally ill.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left
to speak up for me

Here’s an American version by Stehhen Rohde:

They came for the Muslims, and I didn’t speak up…

By Stephen Rohde

First they came for the Muslims, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Muslim.

Then they came for the immigrants, detaining them indefinitely solely on the certification of the attorney general, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an immigrant.

Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a suspect.

Then they came to prosecute noncitizens before secret military commissions, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a noncitizen.

Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced “sneak and peak” searches, and I didn’t speak up because I had nothing to hide.

Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I didn’t speak up because I no longer participated in any groups.

Then they came to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without any charges and without access to lawyers, and I didn’t speak up because I would never be arrested.

Then they came to institute TIPS (Terrorism Information and Prevention System) recruiting citizens to spy on other citizens and I didn’t speak up because I was afraid.

Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because it only aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America’s enemies, and I didn’t speak up … because I didn’t speak up.

Then they came for me, and by that time, no one was left to speak up.

Nobody has answered my question yet about why there was no public outcry at the revelation that the 2 Presidential candidates attended the same secret society lodge. Maybe someone will do that later?

The point here is not really what Meyer did or did not say or what the cops did or did not do, its about the pattern that is forming in society where this sort of thing goes on so that the illusion of free speech and political criticism continues….refer to the 2 young people who opened their shirts to reveal t-shirts with anti-Bush slogans who were “escorted” out of the auditorium for that and nothing more. It;s insidious and its a clear pattern forming of subjugating anyone that voices dissent. Pure and simple. See it in the general light as I have tried to describe instead of focusing on this incident alone. Let the cops have more power and they will (ab)use it.

Stop calling it torture. Calling this torture diminishes what torture means.

Don’t compare Andrew with King or Ghandi, it diminishes the what they lived through and what good they’ve done.

Don’t call the LA riots a revolution. Revolutions don’t involve steeling TVs and VCRs.

If the university ask someone to leave, the police have FULL AUTHORITY to take them out of the building.

Mike , shure – the owner of this place can ask hhim to leave – but did he do that ?

And if the owner do that , then it was not correct , because this kind of getting in direct contact to a man who wants to represent YOU the people/county
and answer questions … so on , is verry rare .

Karry wants to sell himself to the people in a school – and if the owner tollerate that he should
also accept that a discussion or intensive asking a person like a men who wants to represent the country is possible and a good form of democratie and living-freedom .

@Joey

How does Andrews actions in any way compair to those of Dr. King and Ghandi? Andrew was mearly asking questions not standing up for the rights of people. He wasnt standing up for the right of free speech. He wasnt even arrested due to his questions. THAT is what you are failing to see.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke

We knew they were both Skull and Bones before the 2004 primaries. At least those of us who paid attention knew.

Andrew was standing up for the more than 50 million Americans who voted for John Kerry. He was asking the questions most on the minds of members of John Kerry’s own party.

Natasha,

I would love to read everything you wrote but this line made me stop and realize it isn’t worth it:

“The Jews, like my great-grandparents, weren’t the first ones they got. Before them, they got those who asked questions, like Andrew Meyers.”

Again. Listen, please, just please please please try to understand. He was not tasered for what he said. How many times must we write this? He was not cooperating, the police did what they had to do to get him under control. They didn’t shoot him, they tased him. Cops get trained to use tasers, and part of that training usually means the cop getting tased him/herself. It really isn’t that bad.

Stop whining.

One more thing. Kerry called on Andrew Meyers. This is how they repaid Meyers for asking the question he was called upon to ask.

Natasha is correct. Andrew did nothing wrong but ask his questions.

Do not pretend he was tortured for doing something else. The evidence is on video and the videos don’t lie.

Please folks get a grip..

Alf

Yes, someone with authority to tell the kid to leave did tell the police to escort him out.

If you saw the whole thing you would know that the open forum was OVER. He was asking questions past the last question, so he was out of line from the start.

This student gives all protesters a “bad” name/image.

He was acting like a jerk. Clearly, he wanted to hear himself talk rather than being interested in Kerry’s opinions. He was there to make a scene.

The first amendment does not allow you to interrupt another’s right of free speech. Which is what HE was doing.

he acted like a jerk. he resisted arrest. He got tased. And he earned it.

I voted for Kerry, Voted for Gore, and hate Bush. But this idiot earned what he got.

Hello Mr. Meyer,

Let me start by introducing myself. I went to school directly across the street from the Rodney King Trial. My friends and myself attacked the KKK representative that brought his own podium, microphone, 250 watt P.A. and mixing board with a 5 H.P. Honda generator to power it all, set up and stood in the middle of the courthouse steps and spoke for 9 hours while 113 police officers bearing full riot gear stood around him and protected him the entire time he spoke. Needless to say we were tasered and maced.

My friends and I were present in the courthouse when the officers that beat Rodney King were exonerated.

My friends and I were present in Los Angeles throughout the entire Los Angeles Revolution; I’m sorry riot (I must be politically correct here.)

We participated and observed the first real attempt at full scale American Revolution in hundreds of years.

So this is just a small taste of the background in which I approach you.

Knowing this; Please, I repeat PLEASE read this carefully.

YOU ARE THE TORCH BEARER.

Once every so many years God (or whatever energy in this universe that represents that which we choose to label God) chooses a single torch bearer. They do not come around to often and they are obviously coming in far greater intervals as we choose to ignore them more and more.

These torch bearers have the torch for a very limited time and usually (in the name of emotion, dramatics, fear and loss of momentum) drop the ball.

PLEASE DON’T DROP THE BALL ON THIS ONE MY FRIEND.

The whole world has it’s attention on you. I know this is a lot to ask and it is a ridiculously enormous responsibility to take on, but you started something must finish.

This may change the whole coarse of the world. People are watching you in small villages in Africa and in London, Paris, Moscow, Beijing.

You are the one.

That being said; you not only need the best JEWISH lawyer money (at least your money if not other peoples money; remind me to get into that later.)

BUT you also need a DETACHED ADVISER (I would be honored to have this position and am more than well equipped to handle it if you so choose.)

FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT: You need to get your student body to stop trying to force the university to change their policy and to drop the charges.

You need to go to court on this. The exposure is much needed. Do not worry; you will never be prosecuted or do any time on this. I know this. There is no jury in the world that would unanimously come together with a guilty vote on this; think about it.

In fact you should encourage the P.D. to go ahead with the charges.

I know right away you may think I am a nut, but the more exposure the better on this. You need to make them fell like the idiots they are, they fucked up and they got caught, now they simply need to pay for the crime.

Hopefully you are still reading. Please bear with me on this. This is more important than you will ever realize.

SECOND AND AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT: Don’t lose the momentum on this thing. Do your best to keep it going. The people you are dealing with are MASTERS at killing momentum. In fact 99% of law enforcement training is based on diffusion of momentum. It is key in killing these issues and pacifying the masses.

Please go into this knowing you are dealing with people that are not only professionals but completely detached from the emotion. This is the clincher. When you are detached and non-emotional it is more than 100 times easier to deal with and diffuse these things. (Make them just go away.)

I know am being very brief and to the point but I am trying to get the keys in your hand so we can move through this quickly and easily.

After all this exact moment is key in the momentum (sorry I keep using that word, but it is the key to this thing.)

THIRD AND AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT: DON’T LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT!!!!
Yes freedom of speech and yes the right not to be assaulted by a civilian “law enforcement agency” BUT: YOU HIT THEM EXACTLY WHERE IT HURTS MY FRIEND.
You brought up the Bones and the cloud of Politics (funny the word politics is Latin for many blood-sucking insects).

You asked the question in a public forum in what just happened to be the right place and right time THE QUESTION that 10’s of millions of us out here have been literally dying to ask our entire miserable existences. YOU DID IT.

So in keeping with the need to keep this timely I am going to leave you here. (There is much more). But please deeply consider this letter and these points. And please seriously consider (and hopefully act on the Jewish Lawyer and having myself as an adviser; I would be willing to fly out with a small team if need be.)

LASTLY; BREATHE, STAY GROUNDED, DON’T LOSE TRACK OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL, MOVE LIKE A BLACK CAT THRU A DARK ALLEY.

YOU WILL SUCCEED

YOU CANNOT FAIL.

Yes, the evidence is on the tape. The tape shows he was creating a disturbance at the meeting. The tape shows his purpose was to disturb this meeting not ask a question. His question is inconsiquencial to the whole incident. The tape shows he was ask to leave for making a disturbance and he didn’t. The tape shows he was resisting efforts by the police to escort him out of the building. The tape shows he had ample warning that he was going to get tased. The tape shows the cops were completely justified.

and what were the people gonna do, go to jail with the kid? at least kerry got a good joke out of a kid getting his rights stripped away.

OK if someone with authority tell hin leave , than this person have the right to do that , but that is not the correct way to handle in this situation .

And this form of violence against his resist of arresting or leading him out of the room is not neccesary .

One harmless person and he must be teaserd – wow what Andrew what kind of a berzerk are you

@ask

His rights were not stripped away.

Way to use fallacies and manipultions mike
09-19-2007,

Sounds like you enjoy it as you state “thanks kids this i skinda fun.”

I said using a process that states a person is unreasonable simply because they don’t listen to police is a flawed process.

Next time read the posts before you respond to them with blatant lies and misinformation.

I didn’t compare this kid to MLK or Ghandi.

@Alf

I am not sure if the taser was warranted. That is up for the officers to decide. I am sure an investigation will be done to determine if they were justified or not.

Andrew did not have a right to resist the officers LAWFUL requests those and THAT is what got him into trouble not his comments.

Someone wanted a bit of attention.

He got it.

Thats all it was.

Shameful…and a HUGE INSULT to MLK and other “real” activists. This was merely someone wanting to hear himself talk…and he wanted to be thrown out/tasered. He had a “camera crew” set up to tape his performance. Sickening…

Make a sticker of it

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/293/taserbz1.jpg

Charles you know Andrew personaly and from what person do you know that – He had a “camera crew” set up to tape his performance – thats realy interresting .

But the fact that this form of autority or police violence is not the way civilised people live together and acting to each other ….

@Alf

How Andrew acted isnt the way civilized people live together either.

During Monday’s forum, Meyer came to the microphone to question the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee from Massachusetts. Watch the incident unfold »

“You will take my question because I have been listening to your crap for two hours,” Meyer told Kerry, according to the police report of the incident.

He then turned to a woman and said “Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?” the report said.

Clarissa Jessup, who contributed I-Report video of the incident to CNN, said Meyer gave her his camera and asked her to shoot video of him posing his questions to Kerry.

Organizers had cut off questioning before Meyer went to the microphone, she said. Watch Jessup describe the incident

Meyer asked Kerry why he did not contest his loss to President Bush in the pivotal state of Ohio over allegations that African-American voters were disenfranchised.

Meyer also questioned Kerry about why he did not support impeaching Bush and whether he belonged to the Yale University secret society Skull and Bones, as Bush did.

One of the police officers on the scene observed that Meyer was “yelling as loud as he could as to sensationalize his presence,” according to the police report.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html?eref=rss_us

There you go….

Mike. You keep on saying the same thing and try and have us believe your suggestion that he was not tased for questioning Kerry about S&B membership but that he was either resisting arrest or going over his limit of time or the limit of time for the open forum in general.
That is patently not only a lie but you are trying to say something that is otherwise shown to be the opposite, by watching the video. Look at it Mike. Its easy to see that it is only after Kerry points to him and says “sir” (meaning next question), does he start his question (so Kerry thought it was Ok). Next we see that one of the cops interupts him briefly to say please stop or move away but only after a full 30 seconds has elapsed of Meyers talking and asking questions. Then another full 60 seconds elapses with Meyer talking to Kerry and ONLY after he questions Kerry about his allegiance to Skull & BOnes do the cops move in and manhandle him and attempt to arrest him at which point he is not resisting arrest because he has a book in one hand and both arms in the air as if to show or say that he is not trying to resist arrest, not armed but merely wants to get away from what he thinks is an unecessary police involvement….as many people would want to do if they were in his shoes.

So do not try and bullshit people with your interpretation of what is going on in the footage, especially your friggin condescending tone to Natasha. We are not stupid and can see for ourselves what happens at the 30 second and the 1 minute and 30 second intervals. If you are an agent for the Right, working to destabilise and obfuscate this discussion which I believe you are, then go back into your hole and report to your Master that it is you that have failed.

IN Australia, as I have seen with my own eyes at a Noam Chomsky forum, if someone goes over the limit of time allowed, there are no cops to manhandle people. Someone from the venue or the moderator simply allows the question to continue and says into the microphone that that is the final question or puts his hand on the persons back and gently moves him into the direction of the nearest seat. Thats all. Nothing more. Its called civility and respect. Foreign words to you I;m sure.

My favorite part is when he getts zapped and screams out in pain like a little BI0TCH. Freedome of speach my arse, this little jerk off just wanted to be the center of attention and got what he deserves.

This is for the socialist’s like Jolee, Alf,Ale,Ruth and their fellow travelers. You are STUPID, I just kon’t know any other way to say it! You are dumb, brain dead, and just ignorant. You do, however, provide me with lot’s of laughs and I thank you for that.

Police noted that his demeanor “completely changed once the cameras were not in sight” and described him as laughing and being lighthearted as he was being driven to the Alachua County Detention Center.

“I am not mad at you guys, you didn’t do anything wrong. You were just trying to do your job,” Meyer said, according to the police report.

At one point, he asked whether there were going to be cameras at the jail, according to the report.

More from above article….

Funny, if you read what’s posted on Andrew’s website you would belive that he simply went to the mike, asked a question then got zapped by a tazzer, SOOOOO one sided. Get a job kid, stop trying to be the center of attention.

Well , i see that some people will not see that this violence against Andrew for his harmless resist was too much and verry overdrawn .

And that the university acts verry un-democraticaly when handling with a situation like they did about a
young man who consequently tried to get answers of questions to an politician .

Iam tired now – in germany its verry early in the morning .

Thanks for then interresting discussion .
There is much more to say and i think some people must learn a lot … living together in peace an harmony – ahhhh …

And again : sorry for my bad english , its a long time since i wrote something in english .

bye

The Biggest IDIOT commenting here, is ALDO VIDALI. Hey Aldi, as you love the freedom and democracy so much in Venezuele, what are you doing here? Leave turd brain, Hugo would love to have you, so go where your wanted and loved. OH, be sure to wear your “Che” shirt when you go.

Well, I give up. I’m moving to Iran. My eyes have been opened. The Fascist members of the US government are puppets of the Illuminati who truely rule the world. And most of the Illuminati are Jews, so when I move to Iran I’ll convert to Islam and follow Muqtada Al Sadr and hop on a bus loaded with Jewish children and blow myself up to deprive the next generation of the Illuminati their rightful infidel heirs. Oh, and I’m sure that Wal Mart and Bill Gates are in cahoots with the oil companies.

Conspiracies, conspiracies, conspiracies. Blah, blah, blah. No individual is responsible for anything anymore, it’s always the fault of some organization, real or imagined.

This blithering idiot has been turned into a martyr. THIS IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY! Any of you people ever watch an episode of COPS? Any of you ever been in a busy hospital emergency room on a Friday night where police or security have to wrestle with agressive people? Eh, why bother. It doesn’t matter what I think anyway. The Illuminati have electronic surveillance in my dog’s anus and I’ll get “disappeared” for something by dog’s butt saw me do.

Regardless if a camera was found to have been purposely present or if a camera was just coincidently present as it uncovered actual, real police abuses does not justify or excuse the unreasonable police aggression against citizens the camera has uncovered.

John Kerry told the police to leave the questioner alone and that he would answer his question which was a 3 part question… The police decided they did not want to listen to this questioner who kerry said COULD talk.. and the POLICE did not like what the boy at the kerry rally said so the Police decided to haul him off and taser him. well maybe the police should not go to political rallies because maybe they won’t like what is said and that is what they call free speech ESPECIALLY when THE QUEST SPEAKER said Leave boy alone he will answer him.. who did police want to look bad? kerry too. Police need stay away and let questions be asked .. nop free speech now cause police don’t allow. florida can’t vote now we cvan’t speak.

Sarah,

Have you read the police reports? They are available online if you just Google them. Have you seen any video that shows what was going on before Andrew got to the mic? He and a bunch of other students were told by the even organizer that the question session was over. Andrew considered himself too important to worry himself over what the event organizers said. The event organizer told the police to remove Andrew; they considered him disruptive. Andrew is on private property. The police comply. Andrew does not. The questions were not the cause for removal. The way in wich the questioner presented himself and the attitude he presented are the reasons for his removal.

This is shocking!!

I can´t believe some people here will actually defend police brutality? And how come those coward students are just sitting there watching? Have they all ODed on Prozak, or what? How come no-one reacts? That´s the most shocking part. Do you really think it´s supposed to be like this, that this is RIGHT?

I feel sorry for you americans. You are already living in a POLICE STATE, and you don´t even know it (and you speak of “freedom”, “liberty” etc. Do you really know what it means?)

Respect to Andrew! Hope the rest of you will wake up one day…

We’ve been asking nicely and know one listens. Thanks Andrew for speaking up!

PS- Tasers should be illegal.

Yes, Tasers should be illegal. And if Tasers are illegal, then pepper spray and mace are certainly too harsh. If those are too harsh, then police batons are certainly out of the question, and guns . . . well, we don’t need to mention those distasteful things.

Thank you Andrew, for taking the spotlight off of Parish Hilton and Britney Spears. You’re idiocy at least spurs discussion on topics of importance

Hehehehe, I truly enjoyed watching this a**hole getting tased, it was great, he deserved it; he is a conservative freak getting tased in his conservative country so what’s the big deal?
Looking forward to see him tased good again next time….
Vote democrate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice movie…is it made in Hollywood?
George W. Bush has a really nice country in his hands, he should continue exporting democracy while everything is peachy and violence-free at home…
From France with love…

@Me

How was this police brutality? The video clearly show the police giving Andrew ample time to comply and leave the building with them. The video also shows Andrew shoving the police off of him. I guess its ok to shove the police around but not ok when they return the favor due to an individuals violent actions? Also Andrew wasnt fighting for anyones freedoms or rights so those of you that feel that way I wish YOU would “wake up”. He wasnt protesting the freedom of speech or even speaking out about any rights or freedoms.

The policemen should be promoted for taking care of this cocky guy. Nothing like a good taser.
Kerry Preseident!

@ Pierre

Dont act like France is a beacon of what is just and good. You have your problems as well.

http://riotsfrance.ssrc.org/

If you forgot already.

This just goes to show how far our government has drifted away from our freedoms. I was told that today, September 19 is called Constitution Day. Why have a day for it since we really haven’t used it in several years. Our government has “crippled” our country.
Andrew, WE…the people who believe in our Right to Free Speech support you. Three words for you: SUE SUE SUE

It’s amazing to me how can people can see the same exact video and read the same exact story and come away with completely different analysis. Anyone who knows me knows that I am as big a champion on free speech and expression. But that’s not what we are talking about here. Anyone who would claim or try to promote that this kid was tasered because of something that he said is completely misrepresenting the fats and giving the fight for free speech a bad name. If the police acted inappropriately in attempting to remove him from this forum (most especially if it was because of WHAT he was saying) then that should be investigated separately. But once he was asked to leave by the police and then had to be escorted, he should have complied. Physically resisting and swinging at police (especially in the wake of Va. Tech) is incredibly stupid. I would prefer that an officer use a taser on a combatant than a baton or gun. This stupid kid likely has no lingering injuries from his attack on the police and for that he should be grateful.

How can we ask the police to do their jobs and at the same time handicap them from dealing with morons like this? When a police officer tells you to stop resisting, you should STOP RESISTING! There will always be time after the fact to clear things up. If this alleged prankster turned out to be some pyscho, broke away from the officers and killed or caused serious harm to anyone in that forum, people would be calling for the heads of those officers who did not gain control of a clearly out of control and physically violent person.

But please, let’s not pretend that this is a violation of free speech. There are plenty of example of that out there and when you hijack that cause for some jerk trying to stage his own YouTube moment, you are doing a grave injustice to a real cause! Don’t get suckered!

I’ve seen three instances of Meyer being accused of being rightwing or conservative. The people labeling him that are confused. The book Meyer recommended to Kerry, Armed Madhouse, by Greg Palast, is FAR from rightwing. It’s exposing the rightwing corruption and theft of the presidential election. NOTHING that Meyer said could be construed as rightwing. The problem in perception, it seems, is with the thinking that Kerry is leftwing or liberal, and that only a rightwinger/conservative would be asking him discomforting questions. Kerry is part of the pro-war elite, like Hillary Clinton. They, or their patrons, draw profit from rampant warfare. Kerry had said even if he knew that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before the US attack, he would still have supported the attack. When you get down to it, Kerry is rightwing.

@Clyde Benson

You are stupid. Andrew was not fighting for freedom of speech NOR did he have that right taken away from him. The only thing that landed Andrew in trouble with the police were his ACTIONS not his words. He didnt calmly step outside with the officers and discuss what he was trying to do, he pushed them off and fought with them. The police gave him AMPLE time to obey their requests and he refused to do so. He even was refusing to give the female officer his name and had no ID on him. Then he goes off blabbing about “someone follow me they are going to kill me” and crap like that.

Mr Meyer would not stop talking, going on and on, and then he used a vulgarity. He was told to leave, and resisted the police. He whined like 2 year old, and he was tased to gain compliance. There is absolutely no problem with what the police did. Mr Meyer has no one to blame but himself.

Man “Free Speech” you sure are lost, as are most of the folks contributing to this blog. You must be a cop, you and “mike” must be donut dunkin’ buddies.
You are all missing the point, no matter what happened. Look at the big picture. Look at the sybolism. Detatch from your own opinions.
Look at the facts and only the facts: Fact one this is a public forum.

Fact two: This is a student at a school in which the student pays a whole lot of money to belong to.

Fact three: This student was obviously welcomed to the microphone because he was not stopped and the mike was still powered up AND his question was welcomed and in the midst of being answered while Kerry instructed the officers to release the student and that he thought this was a fair question that needed answering.

Fact four: The student was removed by force and electicuted. People die every few months from these things folks. They should only be used if absolutely necessary. You cannot risk the life of an anarmed basically harmless human because he is being “stupid”.

Knowing these facts the error was commited on the end of the law enforcement officials. There is no opinion or way around it.

I know cops, I come from a long line of cops. My father is a cop, my grandfather and grandmother are retired cops, my two brothers are cops, I went to a police academy with the intention of becoming a cop. I live on a whole city block of mostly just cops. I grew up riding around in my dads cop car. Cops are no different then you and I. The are private citizens, they make mistakes, they commit crimes, they steal, they live there lives in fear. The cops I know almost all abuse drugs and alcohol on a daily bases. Literally every cop I know is an alcoholic including my family members. More than half of the cops I know either hit their wives and children, I have seen and felt the bruises. I have personally seen drugs being used by cops that they have confiscated for “evidence” and arrested the people they confiscated them from.
To say that we need to submit to these people in any circumstance when you know you are in the right is nothing other than ludicrous.

Comment by Jim W. 09.18.07 @ 7:30 am lol, im from england (soon not to be so due to the sixth and final version of the eu treaty being signed next year).
Sorry to all the republicans, democrats, lefties, righties, christians, moslems football fans etc.
youve all been conned.
you were never free and your delusions regarding how thing are wont help you in the end.

your not even people, the title of ‘person’ was invented to get you into court so you could be abused by thugs with low iq’s who pay the interest on their loans and thats what its really all about.
just know this, when your battery runs out, your finished, no matter what your political ideology.

lol

I didn’t know the 1st ammendment gave you the freedom to resist arrest after the event organizer asks you to leave and you refuse and start flailing for the cameras. If it were up to me I taser him just because he’s a college asshole.

Come on folks, we’re losin’ ya here…. Stick to the facts….

How do you resist police when 6 are kneeling on your back. Can u show me ’cause I’m dum.

VOTE RON PAUL 2008! He is the only hope for America! ronpaul2008.com

It has been made very clear that Andrew Meyer had been a disruption and forced his way to the microphone. Also, this was run by a private organization, and therefore it is not against the first Amendment for Accent (the group that ran the event) to ask Meyer to leave. Accent told the police to ask him to leave, and he responded by saying “He’s been talking for 2 hours, I think I can talk for 2 minutes.” and then continued to be obnoxious. So when the police finally took over the situation, before it was completely out of control, he RESISTED, which is when he broke the law. He can say whatever the hell he wants, but if you are in a privately owned building, or at an event run by a private organization, you can be asked to leave, and he didn’t comply. Therefore, it was perfectly legal what the police did. They even warned him to calm down. Every cop goes through training and is tased so that they know the power of it and use it with care. Meyer broke the law as soon as he resisted the police. The UFPD did exactly what they’re trained to do, and he suffered the consequences. This isn’t a 1st amendment breach, its an obnoxious kid that is arrogant enough to think he is above the law.

So many people are now thinking that tasers should be taken from police officers, but think of this: would you rather a cop pull his taser on you, or his gun? About 6 months ago everyone was on the Viriginia Tech college administration’s ass for letting some lunatic go about knowing he had mental problems.

Would everyone be giving our cop’s shit right now if Meyer had pulled out a gun and started shooting people? Then everyone would be accusing the cops for NOT doing anything. Meyer was arrested because he didn’t leave when asked, and tased because he resisted arrest. He completely deserved what he got. And if any polic officer loses his job for this, it will be a fucking shame, and everyone will see that when the next lunatic decides to pull a gun.

I agree – about RON PAUL that is.

i cant believe this he asks a question and he gets arrested what the heck he had no attentions on starting a riot freaking cops alls i can say is that if he gets thrown in jail for a really long time alot of people are gonna protest against that and it will start a riot i mean really what is this country coming too im for alot of things we stand for but mostly not let the kid ask his damn question.

So many people are now thinking that tasers should be taken from police officers, but think of this: would you rather a cop pull his taser on you, or his gun?

lol, you mean like this guy?

http://8ball.aowc.net/user/11787/images/picSpecial/GUN.JPG

[br]sorry, couldnt resist that one.
the police are trained to be scared just like everybody else.
when he waived the book in the air, they freaked, and thats how it went crazy.
the act of putting his arms in the air to “give up” (truth) got him in trouble because in todays world untruth is truth.
Maybe they thought it was an alquida book.
It all looks like a book i about the near mid eighties (and we said it couldnt happen).

@Justice

You forgot a fact. The one where he physically resisted and assaulted the police officers. How was this gentleman in the right? Is not complying to officers demands or event organizers demands in the right? Is physically resisting officers in the right? Just because some officers abuse alcohol and drugs and are just normal people like you and I doesnt give you a right to question their authority. If you dont like something that the police do then go about it through the PROPER means dont get into a physical conflict with them. THAT is not being in the right.

Also Andrew was not electrocuted he was shocked. To electrocute someone you have to kill them.

@Brut3F0rc3

He was not arrested for asking a question. He physically assaulted the officers who were asked by event organizers to escort the gentleman out. If a cop asks you to please leave what right do you have to tell him no? Freedom of speech certainly doesnt give you the right to not obey a lawful order given by an officer.

@Ron

Ahh, the beauty of video! Yes, Kerry DID point to him to ask his question, but what you don’t hear is what the Dean said BEFORE the previous question was asked, the one about Iraq that you can hear Kerry answering at the top of some videos. This is so conveniently absent. Kerry was allowing him to go on, so you see Kerry is a good guy. But the official questioning was over. Just because you don’t see it in the clip doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. This is not my interpretation, this is fact and can be backed up by someone who was there.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/student-tasered-at-john-kerry-forum/

Do you think this kid would have paid attention to a gentle hand on his back? Look at him! And to deny he was resisting..well, if you don’t see that then perhaps

Officer Mike, do you think that Rodney King should have submited or resisted when officers with proven ties to the KKK were kicking, beating, macing and tasering him after he had been down, bleeding and exhausted for more than 5 minutes?

Those pigs were completly out of line, I don’t think it was exactly clear to them what they were supposed to do. They’re not Kerry’s fuckin’ mediators so why were they so quick to step in? Freedom of Speech man. Andrew wasn’t out of line until he resisted and even then he was just trying to let people know what kind of injustice was happening right in front of them.

@ “I’m Dum”

How do you resist with 6 on your back? Watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

1:50 in

you see him pop up? Yeeah See, that is resisting!

You can’t miss it, it is right before the hilarity!

I’ve heard some of the other stuff this *kid* has done and it reminds me of a giddy elementary school boy with ADD, desperately doing anything and everything he can for attention, and bathing in his self-defined glory when he gets it. He had absolutely no intention of stopping from the first word that came out of his mouth and you can tell he would have gone as long as it took for him to get the kind of reaction he did. I feel like I’m contributing to his delinquency by writing this, so I will stop right there.

Flame or agree with me all you want, you can be sure I won’t see it.

I would like to know why there were so many police officers in the lecture room of a university. Was this a planned operation to silence Meyer?

Oh yes and Officer Mike,
If you were a senior at a university that you had spent 10’s of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours in classes and years of your life invested with possibly many more to come and you were majoring in journalism (basically doing your “job”) and you were at a powered microphone at a public forum and the speaker whom you are addressing is saying “let me answer your question.” and instucting the police officers to let you speak.

Do you think you would have the right to remain at the mike and/or have your questioned answered and/or not be arrested and (sorry for the improper use of electrocuted) shocked?

Comment by Bahman Akhavan 09.19.07 @ 6:31 pm

even in a world of delusion this is bordering on mental illness.
where money goes…

The Police don’t have the right to abuse their power. Assault? Hell, the kid was just trying to defend himself from Gestapo-style brutal force and censoring. Total F%cking bullsh*t. You folks don’t have a clue about history or the laws in our country. The Constitution gives people certain rights and protections (which are being trashed everyday in the name of security). and mainly puts limitations on govt. I would not expect this kind of brutality except in a totalitarian country (which the USA pretty much is becoming FAST) like Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany. And the reaction of the lame-ass Kerry supporters shows the kind of F%cks they really are. Kerry is a pussy and a lame ass and he really showed it during this event.

So why don’t you go and join the neo nazis. I’m sure they will love you wanting to crack kids’ skulls for exercising free speach. Put the kid in a coma for the rest of his life for asking a couple of questions. People like you are the f*cking problem in this country you nazi scumbags. Beating up people (kids) who exercise their GOD-GIVEN rights (that’s right- “God-given” is what the founders called them) is NOT an American thing. Go back to Germany you filthy pigs. Or learn your history. I don’t want you in MY country. Kerry needs an operation to get some balls. I still wouldn’t vote for the Nazi puss.

Give me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!

FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Justice

Do you think that we should disobey every officers command just because what happend to Rodney King? How can what happend to Andrew even be compared to what happend to Rodney? Just because there are crooked cops does that mean we dont have to listen to any of them? Does that mean we can physically assault them? Do you feel the cops in Andrews case were also racially motivated like the officers in Andrews case? How does a government keep order if none of its citizens obey police commands?

The organizers of the event may have been out of line for asking the officers to remove Andrew from the building, but that doesnt excuse the behaivor that was exhibited by Andrew torwards the officers. Oh, I am not an officer nor have any desire to be in the law enforcement field.

When the government becomes oppressive what does the Constitution and Dec. of Ind. say the people need to do? READ IT and find out! The oppressive govt. should be VERY afraid of the people right now. The people should be VERY afraid of their oppressive govt. Read what the founders said about these things for yourself. Read the writings of Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Mason, Hamilton, Hancock, Henry, etc.

And we worry about “terrorists?” The real terror is coming soon to a city near you and it ain’t in no turbin.

@Justice

I’m sorry, where on the video was this brat beaten senseless? I mean, I see him disobeying the police’s orders and warnings that CLEARLY state he is about to be tasered if he does not stop resisting, but I don’t see them beating him like crazy. Yes, I see him get a bit of voltage sent through him, but I also see him fighting with the police…soo..what is your point? Are we not equating Rodney King to this brat because MLK, Ghandi, and Hitler have already been used?

ALSO – may I add, that just because you scream “I AM NOT RESISTING!” while thrashing around does not mean you are not resisting. Much like how “PLEASE DON’T TASE ME BRO” won’t prevent you from being tased.

Fucking hilarity, I say!

AAAAAAANNND

@E Dwigs

“Andrew wasn’t out of line until he resisted”

So you agree he was out of line..so what is the problem? The police are the school’s moderators, and the school called them in, not Kerry…so what is your point again?

That’s right! Another FAIL! 2 for 1!

I love you guys!

@P. Taylor

What Constitutional right did Andrew have that allowed him to remain on private property? The event organizers asked the officers to remove Andrew from the building.

Resisting tyranny is appropriate. That’s what this country was founded on. Study your history then get back to me.

If a cop can walk up to you and have his way without warrant or cause then that is tyranny.
If you claim they had cause in this case then you are a Nazi. Go home you Godless, Nazi pig.

Officer Mike,
You need to stick to the facts, you are way off in left field here. Meyer did not assault or even attempt to assault anyone. You are coming from this at way to bad of an far off angle. Come on youre a cop you should know that if you even take a swing near a cop (or a cop’s dog or horse for that matter; they are considered law enforcement officials too) if you even spit in the direction of a cop if you even curse or stick your middle finger up in the direction of a cop; you are charged. I know I have seen it half a million times. They love that shit. They jump on it every little chance they get. There is no way that Andrew would get OR’d (Released on Own Recognacence) if he was even being considered for assualt charges. Wake up my friend, you are living quitte tyed up within your own quickly failing illusion.

@ P taylor

Defend himself? Defend himself from what?????

And I’m gonna have to call Godwin’s Law on you, enough with the nazi talk people! You lose.

Speaks volumes for UF. Does UF stand for Useless F*cks? Did Andrew not fit in with their political agenda? F*cking liberal schools. F*ck them all. Godless, haters-of-freedom draped in flags covered in patriots’ blood.

You’re not the f*cking ref you jackass.

@P Taylor

What does God have to do with anything?

You FAIL times infinity.

@Justice
I guess you didnt watch the video where Meyer shoved the officers off of him?

Even Jon Stewart has said that this kid is full of “Student Douchebaggery!”

And P Taylor, the word is fucking. Why censor yourself in this world of FREE SPEECH!

irony?

Uhh officer Mike,
Ease up on the you lose and you fail stuff a bit. You know psychologically speaking ( I am a psycologist at USC, UCLA, and am on-call at Pepperdine University ) when people use words like this, this often and in the matter in which you are using them, it is because they feel this about their ownselves.

I think if he is convicted of anything or during the trial that people should take to the steets all over the country and say what needs to be said and not back down exactly like this man did. Thank god for this event. I’ve been drowning in the apathy of the u.s. social cliamate for far too long. This event is a beacon of hope that we need to seize.

Andrew, I am 37 years old and have always thought that the generation preceding mine was unintelligent and did not stand for any fundamental truths. I have seen what happened to you on you tube and I admire you for what you have done, I stand corrected. History will judge you as a true patriot. You may get some negative feedback for what you did, but I must tell you that what you did was honorable. It is time that people unite and take a stand for the truth of what has happened to this country.

Growing up in Pasadena California as a child there was a CIA agent that lived on our block and he warned my friends and I of the coming new world order and the changes that this nation was going to experience. My eyes were open to the truth back when I was 12. I did not understand all the information that he was sharing with me but now as I look at what is happening in our country I understand.
It takes brave patriotic people like you to do what you have done to make a real change in our country. I have a 13 year old son and I am teaching him about the truth of what is going on in this nation. I let him read prison planet.com and all the alternative media and even he at a young age can see the false paradigm that the two party system plays on the American people. I think your question was very important and needed to be asked. It is time these CFR and skull and bones types get exposed.

I hope one day when my son grows up he has the strength and the intelligence to stand for his rights and ask the important questions that today’s corporate media are not asking and you had the bravery to ask. I salute you for what you did, you are my son’s and my new hero and a true patriot. Don’t stop until all important questions are answered including all the questions associated with 911. Thanks to brave people like you we are seeing a revolution taking place in this nation like never before. All the children from the middle school my son attends are Ron Paul supporters. So for today you may have been shocked for a patriotic unjust cause, but remember, that every generation needs to shed some blood to water the tree of liberty. I stand with you and you have inspired me to stand against the tyranny and make a difference as well, not for me but for the future of my children and of this nation.
Once again thank you
Sincerely
David Rubio.

I feel sorry for you, people of the USA.. Your country hasn`t been a real democracy for a long time, and trends here in Europe seem to be following your lead.

Look at the facts, not propaganda from the mainstream media. Your constitution, that was once an example to the entire civilized world is now dead because you didnt (and still dont) defend it.

And why are you defending the police ? Defend YOURSELF ! You ARE all Andrew Meyer, because even now, and more so in the future, when you “get out of line”, you will suffer the same fate, and no one will be able to help you.

Do not fight amongst yourselves and be divided by BS left-right differences, stand up, come together and face the real enemy that is taking away your constitutional liberties !

Vote, call your representatives, voice your opinion, BE ACTIVE. The worst thing you can do, is to do nothing (and that is what you are doing now).

Regards to both the conservatives and the liberals from Europe

what a fucking crybaby pustule publicity whore. i haven’t heard screams in that octave since my 4 year old sister got her hand slammed in a car door.

PLEASE check out TASED AND CONFUSED ON MORNING JOE and JUDGE NAPOLITANO IS OUTRAGED on Youtube.com
Very Good…

It is unbelievable what happened there. Not only this mentally retarded police corps but also the people who hired, trained, and prepared them should not only get fired immediately but also get sued in no time for highest charges. Andrew Meyers was assaulted on no grounds what so ever. Being emotional DOES UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES allow for such police actions. This is reminiscent of a freaking dictatorship. Where’s the freedom we’ve been fighting for in Irak? It’s not here anymore. The only hope in this mess is Ron Paul. And for sure, Ron Paul wouldn’t have let that happen like Kerry did …

I own a small Corporation in the US which
employs about 350 Americans.

I filed notice with the Federal Trade Commission today and have also informed the NYSE that we are pulling out of the US as of November 15th 2007.

I’m sorry but I’ve had enough. To all those who
will lose their jobs, I’m sorry but you have
no control over your own government or country.

You all know who you are, notices went out today
of the facts and why we no longer wish to do
business with or in the United States.

We will be relocating to London England and only
certain key positions will be invited to join us
at that location.

Sorry.

What, did nobody catch my joke? tough crowd

I think both sides are wrong: Andrew Meyer for acting like a immature,self-absorbed, grand-standing moron, and the police for acting like thugs.

I support Andrew all the way I think the police are bastards

George, that post of your about leaving the US with your company is serious shit. Wow. I am impressed and I admire you. Amazing. Good on you.

As far as Andrew meyer is concerned, I’ve said my bit already.

No matter what Andrew was trying to say, to ask, no matter your opinion on the relevance of his question, he DID NOT deserve this! FOX & it’s fellow main stream media will use this video to frighten us into silence. We cannot let that happen. We cannot give up our right to free speech. I would actually like to know why Kerry conceded the race in 2004. Old news aside, it’s not a bad question in the whole scheme of things. Says alot about our country & our voting rights. The fact that no one in that room went to Andrew’s aid is disturbing too. Should have been a riot in there. He’ll be on every talk show for awhile, Hope he makes the most of it. Andrew Meyer is in the History Books now. Let’s make sure they get the story right.

George! Why are you leaving just when things are getting interesting? Nothing like a good old fashioned revolution!

The only thing interesting about this is how his questions have already been buried. It might take another 232 years for those questions to come around again.

What would Dr. Hunter Stockton Thompson say?

Sam, you asked: I would actually like to know why Kerry conceded the race in 2004?

Here is the gist of my post of earlier today.

“John Kerry AND G W Bush BOTH belong to the same secret order of Skull and Bones this means that they BOTH attended the SAME lodge as each other so it follows that they are both answerable to the same Grand Master of that same lodge, who would have had either some say or the final say as to who actually was going to win the election? He got to choose. Nobody, I mean nobody, especially GW Bush or John Kerry was in ANY position to argue with the Grand Master of that lodge. When you are initiated into such a fraternal order, you swear upon pain of death that you will not divulge any info about it and also to comply with any orders given to you by the sitting Grand Master of the Lodge. There are no ways of interpreting that order from him. No arguments to be had and esp. disobeying orders in that lodge. Nothing even close. When you are told to do something by a high ranking Bonesman….you just do it. End of story.

The orders given to you in this case are the result of the Master’s meetings with people who have influence and interests that you or I will never hear of or imagine exist. And it is their interests that are paramount. If you dont believe all this, then you are just ignorant. Nothing more.

Ron, you’re an idiot to take that post seriously about a corporation moving overseas.

As for the rest of you that must be so socially inept that you can’t tell when a class clown is being a clown (just go to Meyers’s website http://www.theandrewmeyer.com and you’ll see what I mean), you’ve been brainwashed into Pavlovian knee-jerk outrage anytime anyone is arrested.

And the cops had ONE cuff on him when they “tased” him. Andrew wouldn’t let them get the other one on. The electricity must have done the trick, because it went on easy after that.

One more thing for those who think Meyer was actually serious in his questioning: Did he really expect Kerry to answer three totally unrelated questions without actually pausing in between them so Kerry could give a response? In court, it’d be called “badgering the witness”, or perhaps simply grandstanding. Andrew was playing to the camera (he asked his friend to tape him) and the crowd, not to John Kerry.

Here is a list of books that I have read and from which I have gained this knowledge and reference my comments above:

Secrets of the Tomb (skull & bones investigation) – Robbins
Americas Secret Establishment – Sutton
Conspirator’s Heriarchy: The story of the commitee of 300 – Coleman
To Eliminate the Opiate – Antelman
The Unseen Hand – Epperson
The Dying God – Livingstone
Sabbatai Sevi – (Mystical messiah) – Scholem

I live across the country in ca and just randomly saw this video posted on myspace of Meyer’s ordeal. I cannot believe how disturbing that was. I am sure there is nothing I could say that has not yet been said by previous comments but do we not live in America? I highly doubt someone is disturbing the peace if kerry is actively engaging the question. I read a recent article that said meyer is a known “prankster.” that doesnt change what they did being egregious and illegal. I hope whoever is involved fights this out, its worth fighting— these are our rights.
best of luck do your thing

Read the Book of Revelation in the Bible!

To those of you who say “What are you crying about? It’s not like he got shot!”… you’re killin’ me. So he went on a question rant and took up more time than he was allowed… doesn’t mean he was calling Kerry a “cunt” or “faggot”. I don’t recall him running up to the stage and threatening anyone. There was no reason for such police force. Honestly, even if he continued to hold the microphone and asked probing/cheeky questions, there’s no need to pick him up and carry him off.

And Kerry even said it wasn’t necessary and that he’d answer the man’s questions… so… I guess he didn’t have a problem… so why do the police need to instigate?

This country (I’m American btw) is based on extraordinary principles, and we’re blessed with such a beautiful constitution… but what’s frustrating for many “liberals” (as some assholes above have labeled ‘those who care’) is that our government and the beaurocratic bodies that make up our nation are losing touch with our founding politics… they’re losing touch with what made America so appealing, and why I choose to live here.

I’m not surprised by the amount of Europeans outraged by this incident, because this shit would’ve started a mass-scale riot in Paris or Madrid or any other European city because these people are passionate about their rights… why aren’t us Americans? Only so few seem to care anymore… the rest just think up excuses not to question authority and continue to watch shit hit the fan.

Do I care about Andrew Meyer? No, not particularly. But I think this incident should be one of many wake-up calls for Americans, who need to stand up and fight to secure their rights… to secure their freedoms… and to secure a future for this country.

Thanks for reading this.

ANDREW MEYER IS A BIG MORON AND IDIOT TO THE NTH DEGREE! I’M GLAD HE GOT TASERED. HIS ACTIONS CAUSED IT AND HE BROUGHT IT UPON HIMSELF!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT FREE SPEECH AS SOME PEOPLE STATE – THIS IS ABOUT CONDUCT AND HOW YOU EXPRESS YOUR FREE SPEECH IN A PUBLIC FORUM.

IF I WAS THERE AND ANY OF THE OFFICERS NEEDED HELP, I WOULD HAVE GLADLY MANHANDLED THAT FOOL.

ANDREW MEYER I HOPE YOU READ THIS TOO, YOU JACKA$$! I DON’T KNOCK YOU FOR YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK. I KNOCK YOU FOR YOUR IDIOTIC CHILDISH BEHAVIOR LIKE A KID SEEKING ATTENTION… PLUS YOU DON’T LOOK ALL THAT TOUGH, DUDE.

http://www.freeandrew.com

Please consider what would have happened had Meyer NOT been picked up and carried off. Do you really think he would have stopped his barrage of inane questioning (more like lecturing)? No. His whole point (again, he had his friend get it all on camera) was to make a scene. Have you looked at everything that Andrew Meyer has posted on the internet, on his own website, taken it all into account? Once you do that and understand where he’s coming from, then watch the video as if it’s for the first time. My guess is that, for Meyer, this was a publicity stunt that went terribly wrong. Or is it terribly right? Hey, he’s got his face and name plastered everywhere–Andrew Meyer, I commend you on a well-done PR job. Seriously!

Andrew Meyer is a whiny little attention seeking BITCH that obviously did not get enough attention from daddy growing up.

Unbelievable. I felt the same watching that as I did watching the footage of Kent State on television when it happened. If they can taser Andrew Meyer for asking three well-researched, and excellent questions, then they can just as easily pick up a rifle and open fire. Terrifying. Michael, please tell Andrew that we’re with him and when he opens a defense fund, I’ll be the first to donate. Still cannot believe that Kerry joked while Meyers was getting tasered. Absolutely uneblievable….. that Kerry was a war hero and student anti-war activist?! Now he lamely jokes and watches a kid get tased? Oh, he also is now saying that he “didn’t see anything” and that “the campus police must have had their reasons.” sigh…..

PLEASE HELP US RAISE AWAIRNESS OF KERN COUNTY’S FALSE FLAG WAVING AND DISRESPECT TO JURORS RIGHTS THROUGH OUT THE
U .S.COURTS

When I say the pledge of allegiance to the flag, it never said to the flags. On or about
09-13-2005 a mandatory summons was received by a confidential juror #64529 in the County Of Kern, State of California. As the juror appeared for the official jury summons before the court with the gold fringe flag displayed in the court The juror showed state documents that said, “Currently, the United States Flag is defined as follows: The American Flag of Peace of the United States of America is Red, White, and Blue, with thirteen alternating red and white horizontal stripes and a blue field representing the Union with 50 stars, one to represent each of the several states. The Flag is proportional (1×1.9). This proportion is easily determined by measuring the length (fly), and dividing by the measurement of the with (hoist). The length divided by the width should be very nearly 1.9. If the flag is not to the correct 1×1.9 proportion, it is not an official Title 4 U.S.C.1, 2, American Flag of Peace of the United States of America. The United States Military Flag has a gold Fringe, whitch stands in every State and Federal Court, effectively rendering the Court as a Military Court. “Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, ## 1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a Military Flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides.The president of the United States designates this deviation from the regular Flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief. Title 4 U.S.C. 3, provides that anything put on the title 4 U.S.C., 1, 2, American Flag such as gold fringe MUTILATES the flag and carries a one-year prison term. This is confirmed by the authority of title 36 U.S.C. 176 (G). The gold fringe is a fourth color and represents “color of military law” jurisdiction, and when placed on the title 4 U.S.C. 1, 2 Flag, mutilates the flag and suspends the Constitution. (Refer to title 18 U.S.C.242, see Black’s Law Dictionary). As provided by title 36 U.S.C. 173 and Army Regulation 840-10, Chapter 2-1 (b). The flag of the United States of America is defined and described in title 4 U.S.C. 1, 2. Civilians must use the title 4 U.S.C. 1, 2, Flag ( see title 36 U.S.C. 173 and Army Regulation 840-10, chapter 2-7), and when military flags are displayed by Army Regulation 840-10, chapter 2 and title 36 U.S.C. 175.”
The military statement can be seen at: http://www.vfwofwi.com/Apr04page%203.pdf
State document can be seen at: http://remnantofgod.org/bn040417.htm
The Confidential juror #64529 was then given by the Judge 5 day jail term threat of contempt of court charge for asking weather the juror was serve under military law or constitutional law?
The Judge refused to answer the question and has refused to answer the question to we the people, or the Confidential juror #64529. The question still stand, That if the juror dose not have the right to ask the courts questions about this remarkable and discusting disclosure. Then what do the people have to get a fair trial or hearing? The following web sites are disclosed for your attention and opinion. If you have more questions and concern’s about this start your own inquest. Remember freedom is not free unless you stand up and start getting concerned. In Palmdale, Ca. Mayor removes all Gold fringe.
“The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any design of any nature.” This is the old rules Long before the addition of gold fringe or Bush signing the flag with a marker as can be seen at http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
ALL NATIONS HAVE JUST ONE FLAG. ONE NATION, ONE LOYALTY.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
It is my unprofessional understanding that under military law you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.
I am not a attorney and can not give nor will I give legal help but I can give historical information as I see it.
In constitutional law you are innocent until proven guilty. Wouldn’t that be a sham if you were found guilty and your rights were taken away with out recourse? Make no doubt about it.

The liberals are right. Just let poor Andrew act like a total idiot, ignore the rules, the Police, the administrators, Kerry’s people who wanted him to leave.. just let Andy do whatever Andy wants. Poor Andy is a victim here, lets all hope he gets a multi-million dollar lawsuit and uses it to right all the things wrong in America. In fact, I want to vote for this kid for President. He really does know it all. When he’s elected, he can pull our military out of the middle east, let Iran, Iraq, and all the others build up enough power and take over enough countries to eventually wage war on the US and win. We can all speak JIHADian and start strapping bombs to our bellies. And then we can all go to peaceful forums, break all the rules, cause a scene for no reason, resist police who are lawfully doing their jobs and then call ourselves victims. I can’t wait!

how come no one else was thrown out? because they acted like humans.

The police are now using tasers against students for asking a question
The majority of people now think this is justified for “resisting” police
The majority of people now think this is justified becuase he was a “prankster”
The majority of people think only what they are told to think
The majority of good normal people looked on and let Hitler rule
The majority of people are always sheep

Your government spent 400million dollars on detention centres last year to cage its own residents
Your government will bomb Iran next year
The world no longer wants US Dollars
The US Dollar is going to halve in value

It is too late for America, she is already lost
God help America
God help the world

Rome is falling!

This is American democracy at action. And even worst is to see all the people around doing nothind. Shame on you. I’m from Europe and no way that cold happen here. Not with the police and there’s no chacce people would watch this calmly!

This is a blog I posted moments after I viewed the abhorrent events. It was written in haste, I apologize for the disorganization.

I don’t know how many of you are aware of what took place recently at the University of Florida. On September 17th Senator John Kerry spoke at a town hall forum, consisting primarily of UF students. Presently this is one of the United States most prestigious and highly recognized institutions of higher learning. This fact makes the following events all the more disparaging. During a Q&A session twenty-one year old UF student Andrew Meyer began by asking Senator Kerry several questions regarding his concession of the 2004 election. He continued his diatribe with a query pertaining to the war and Kerry’s subsequent neglect to appeal for the impeachment of the president. An adverse crowd reaction coupled with the audible badgering of a less than pleased moderator eventually lead to the young man’s microphone being disconnected. At this point police officers appear and without hesitation attempt to physically remove him. This is when the young man makes an indefensible error; he attempts to resist the officer’s efforts. The rest you will have to view yourself, for I choose not to recount such deplorable actions. Meyer was charged with “disturbing the peace” and “resisting an officer.” My purpose is not to defend this young man’s violent actions but to call attention to the circumstances that aggravated the incident. I beseech you to put your political feelings aside, just for a moment, and see this issue for what it began as, an attack on one man’s first amendment right. That right for which hundreds of thousands of our ancestors fought so gallantly to defend, for which our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, cousins, and friends fight and die for to this very day! Is this right somehow valid if such speech falls only upon accepting or acquiescent ears?! Public sentiment regarding this student’s acrimonious exchange is irrelevant. Regardless if not one person agrees with what this man had to say, we are each ultimately obligated to provide him with the right, free from government interference, to say it. Are we to stand by as the very foundation, the quintessential freedom, of our Constitution is compromised? We must exact the will of the founding fathers, oppression will not be tolerated! At the sake of sounding redundant, it is not popular to have an unpopular opinion. The difference is, one day that opinion very well may be yours. One thing is certain though; you can bet your ass I’ll be there to defend it.

I concede the soap box…

An idiot gets tasered for breaking the law and acting like an idiot and all of a sudden Rome is falling? Please tell me you are kidding? And references to Hitler? Wow.

If it’s too late for America like you say, why don’t you move out of it please.

That was really beyond the limit. Take tasers of our Universities!

This douche was warned repeatedly that he was in line for a tasering, yet he prefered to keep making a big scene. I only wish I could tase every attention whore college kid hippy fucktard.

This is a facebook group interested in the First Amendment, not Andrew Meyer. All like minded are encouraged to join!

http://ecu.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5464398225&ref=mf

Wow, A non e moose, you and so many other people on here say they want to tase Meyer and people you think are like him. That’s scary. Sounds like America is 1/2 full of aggro and sexually deprived guys who want to tase the fuck out everyone they think deserves it. Couldn’t imagine a more frightening place to live. Sounds like a surreal nightmare. I was in your country once for 3 years on work – and hated it not only because I got shot at by some other white trash from his truck on the freeway, but its a scary place in general. This Meyer incident shows the world that US cops can keep the flock in line really well, but it does nothing to take away the stigma it has about being full of aggro c*nts.

Disgraceful and surely, unlawful police brutality. A line from my latest song “Our civil rights have dissapearred, a global fascist state draws near” Listen/Watch it here http://www.911building7.co.uk … We’re all in BIG trouble!!

The news got to Brazil. We totally disapprove Iraq war and Bush’s behavior. I was really shocked to see how the student was beaten. Is that what you call democracy? Is that what Mr. Bush is trying to teach people in other countries? It was horrible to see so many students in the auditorium staring at that scene without reacting, some even laughing.

It is not resisting arrest if it is an unlawful arrest. Andrew was impatient and nervous but not threatening. Later, when he was jumping around in the hallway, you might consider that resisting arrest because by that time the cops decided to arrest him. Things had escalated at that point that the police thought that he was out of control. People look that way sometimes when they are upset or angry. But it is debateable as to whether or not he is a threat to anyone.

But in the begining, when the cops grabbed his arm to move him away from the mic, ANdrew, at that juncture, had committed no crime and therefore it was illegal for the cops to remove him from a “public” event that he had every right to be at. It’s not like he was some thug off the street that just walked in to mess things up. He was a student there, and maybe, for all we know, HAD to cover Kerry’s speech as part of his class duties. If Andrew was disorderly, someone would have to “complain” or “call in” a complaint attesting to that. While some students boo-ed his antics, that does not amount to a legal complaint. If a college official told the cops to remove Andrew as disorderly, then Andrew’s fight would be more with the school. Think about it: a journalism student who maybe HAD to cover this event for a class as part of his major gets kicked out by a school official when the event was billed as open to the public. He could probably contest his right to be present, free speech, etc. with the school. The question is : WHO ordered him removed? Kerry didn’t. It appears from the video, that the cops acted on their own. If that’s the case then it is Nazi tactics. Being an a-hole is not illegal folks. If it was, most every one at some time should be arrested. And when the people in power, own the media and control the venues for speaking out so that others can hear what you are saying, you may have to be obnoxious in order to be heard and not ignored. Politeness often gets you ignored or brushed aside.
Kerry was right not to get involved. He has no idea if an audience member is crazy so therefore it is unrealistic to expect a senator to get off the stage, come down the isle, and say “It’s ok guys he can stay here.”

For those of you who enjoyed him being tasered, wait until a policeman comes after you for something minor or something that they just think that you did or even if they make up something because they don’t like the T-shirt that you’re wearing. If you let them do this, you can expect to have your turn with the taser sometime. Andrew was fully under their control at the time he was tasered. He was tortured. ANd this is not an isolated instance. It is happening all over and every few days or so there is another video of abusive tasering, some leading to death. Does Andrew deserve possible death for being a smart ass for a few minutes? Can’t a politian and the audience survive a heckler? We must “protect” them from a prankster with possible lethal force? Tasers have killed hundreds of people from 6 year old girls to 70 year old grannies in wheelchairs with bad hearts and many more taser deaths are under-reported because coroners tend to be buddies with law enforcement and will cover up for them. I saw a guy on video tasered holding his baby because he was having an argument with hospital staff and he dropped the baby on the concrete floor. The cops only cared about controling the man. They didn’t care that shooting him–with electricity–might cause him to drop the baby or that the baby could be electrocuted as well. I consider the taser a deadly weapon and if anyone tried to use one on someone that I love I would respond by returning fire with a real gun. I might be killed or go to jail for the rest of my life but it would sure make other cops think twice before using them again. Those campus cops better HOPE that they get fired. If not, they will be walking targets to any angry student, parent, loved one, or even townsfolk who think that what they did was dangerous and disgusting. They are fortunate that I live no where near them. They should be given the finger when they enter any resteraunt or bar off duty and made to feel very, very uncomfortable everywhere they go about town. Make THEIR lives hard. Maybe they’ll even do us a favor and commit suicide like all good Nazis eventually do.
Most likely, the charges will be dropped against Andrew as most juries will think the video makes the cops look worse than the “culprit”. And he will feel lucky to get out of the situation, finish school, and move on. Even if he sues, and wins, those suits against the school and the police are really paid by the taxpayer in increased tuition and the police budget from property taxes. So “they” don’t really “pay” unless you sue the individual cops–but they aren’t as collectible as any lawyer will tell you. The average young cop doesn’t make that much money yet and probably hasn’t paid much on his house if he even owns one. So you won’t get much from individual suits. Probably costs more for the lawyer than you’ll get back. But if charges are dropped, and they brush off his shirt, and say, “Gee, we’re sorry Andrew” in their best Mickey Mouse voice, it still sends the message to the rest of us and especially the students at that college: when a public official visits, keep your mouths shut!

@PapaRigaRuga

I believe the event organizer asked the officers to remove the individual from PRIVATE property. Andrew has the right to free speech BUT he doesnt have the right to remain at any location that he chooses.

@Mike

So you are saying a building on the University of Florida Campus is PRIVATE property? Isn’t it a PUBLIC University? Don’t the people of Florida subsidize it with their state taxes?

Some days have passed . . .
Most of the world has been informed of what has happened. . .
While Americans bicker about “This is a freedom of speech issue/No its not” the rest of the world is appalled.
Shocked and appalled. . .

The majority of the right-wing (mostly American) posts here state “He got what was coming to him” . . .
What ever the escalation of events, how can electrocuting a person being held down by half a dozen law enforcers be construed as “legal” use of an armament?

The left wing seems to have the international sympathy/outrage vote in terms of posts. Americans, please note how many of us also mention with disapproval the heavy handed treatment of foreign nationals and sovereign states that have little to do with your democracy and its over blown opinion of its international policing ability.

What makes this event interesting is that it is a microcosm of how many foreigners view the USA:
1. Over-enthusiastic, unfocused, self-recrimination of the past by a (liberal) journalist.
2. Unneeded over-responsive violence by the law-enforcers/peace-keepers.
3. Politician saying he will answer the questions, proceed to cracking jokes at the expense of the enfeebled journalist and then pretending that nothing untoward is happening from the safety of their elevated status.
4. The masses applauding (with all their minds and hearts) the initial strong-arm response and then for the most part watching numbly while “justice” is metered out.
5. Off tape removal, false accusation and incarceration of bigmouth.
6. Vociferous mudslinging (what an image:-) after the event, leading back to self-recrimination by some observant journalist . . .
7. While the WWW watch and wonder how the human race will survive the 2000’s.

It couldn’t have been staged better by the Keystone Cops – all that was missing was the frantic music . . .
F* freedom of speech – great entertainment dudes!

It’s great that things like that happen in america, makes u think twice about the US’s egoistic, moralistic and divine promotion of democracy in the world….
Clean your house first before attempting to police the world because that world is laughing at you and loving it!

A fan in Berlin

The worst were the people gazing at the scene like coward americans….you think u r heroes but you are NOT and you proved it..again….

Poling V Murphy
“It is true, to be sure, that students do not “shed their constitutional rights to freedom
of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate,” and “[s]chool officials do not
possess absolute authority over their students.” . . . It also remains true, however,
that the Federal Constitution does not compel “teachers, parents, and elected school
officials to surrender control of the American public school system to public school
students.” . . . Limitations on speech that would be unconstitutional outside the
schoolhouse are not necessarily unconstitutional within it.”

Tinker V Des Moines
“[I]f he does so without “materially
and substantially interfer[ing]
with the requirements of appropriate
discipline in the operation of the
school” and without colliding with
the rights of others. . . . [C]onduct by
the student, in class or out of it, which
for any reason–whether it stems from
time, place, or type of behavior–
materially disrupts classwork or
involves substantial disorder or
invasion of the rights of others is, of
course, not immunized by the constitutional
guarantee of freedom of
speech”

P.S. I bet Kerry wishes he wasn’t there then.

I think a lot of these comments are irrational.Don’t get me wrong, the incident was absolutely wrong, the cops should be prosecuted and fired and Meyer should be let go. The thing is there are two issues here one being his arrest breaching the 1st ammendmant and two being the issue of excessive force after the wrongfull arrest. The Taser issue is separate from the free speech, because he was tased in relation to resisting arrest. Thus THe arrest was an injustice, and the Tasing was excessive force, two separate issues.

@Ben
His first ammendmant rights were not violated. Look at the supreme court cases that I mentioned earlier. Poling v. Murphy and Tinker v. Des Moines. There are others as well that state there are limitations to certain rights in school settings.

P.P.S. What the hell IS the “Scull and Cross bones Society”?

(Sorry to be so uninformed)

I just want to rewind the vid over and over again….b/c I never once heard any of the Miranda. I think it’s hilarious that the police took so long to answer why he being arrested. They said it was for insighting a riot….go back to the video…how does one insight a riot when they are being tasered and as the camera pans room and the majority of the people are still sitting? How was he resisting arrest. Kerry saying he would answer the question should have made it end right there!

As for Meyer, if he did stage it, I still don’t see where tasering was warranted.

I think it’s a shame that he had to ask people to follow him to wherever the police were taking him. Being that he was handled in a very uneccesary way, I don’t blame him for feeling he needed some protection…..but then again, who was he going to call at that point….the police?

@anyone else:

I’ve only just now seen a longer(whole?)recording of this thing-from just before Meyer gets on the mike to when the pigs have him at the exit of the building.
I have not read this entire gigantic comment thread so in the hopes that i’m not rehashing:

Whether Meyer is a provocateur(sp?) or a sincere protester unless he is an unbelievable and cold as ice improvisational actor by the end of this recording he is in genuine shock(no pun intended) at what is happening to him.
If after the events i have seen in my life i were to say while the blackshirts(woops i guess they’re dark blue-so sorry)were trying to get it through their panicked-little-piggie-brains what they should do now that they nabbed me, to say like Meyer did: “Your taking me to the government aren’t you?” with such seemingly real disbelief and panic- we’ll anyone who knows me would know that if I said that I WOULD just be mugging for the cameras. Only Idealists and wishful thinkers can come through several pig “arrests” still clinging to the delusion that POWER and the temptation to weild it have truly been checked by “democracy” or “the rule of law”. With even more experience one gets over the notion that behind this maelstrom of ever-gnashing ever-grunting greedy cowards that make up the authorities and government officials that we see, there can be found the “Government”; evil, yes but comfortingly rational and heirarchical (sp?) that Meyer is afraid of being “taken” to.
I knew i suppose that most people do not share my view, whether from ignorance or cowardice, but it was not until this whole thing that other peoples reactions to events in “the kinder, gentler” facism have so surprised me as to force my involvement, or to put it another way: if my words bother you, you might have yourself to blame.
so. to try and finish as concisely as possible.

@The cowards: Tough Typing into a PC(MaC?) keyboard is not quite enough to fool those with eyes open. you enjoy this kind of repression like an abuse victim enjoys violence and abuse – because you have been twisted in to an inhuman shape by an inhuman society. OR your fear has simply mastered you and you strive to believe the simple expanations that facism is so adept at providing in order to hide yourself.
Either way it is possible you are NOT redeemable in this world, or the next. you should face this.

@The ignorant:The fact that you likely feel that I am on your “side” shows the applicability of my name for you. This occurrence that you are shocked by is and has always been a part of the real world, that you’d be advised to become far more familiar with before you can truly “stop the war” or “impeach bush now” or bring “peace and justice” or “keep abortion legal” or (most hilariously) “save the environment” or ” stop global warming”(as if it was YOUR environment to save, like some kinda christmas toy LUV MOM&DAD)Or any other of the ditraction “causes” and “issues” that you focus on like pigs at the trough while the house crumbles around you.
The cowards, while noisy are just pathetic and unimportant these things are YOUR FAULT.

just like they are my fault.

What is to be done?

/rant off

P.P.P.S. Now my eyes have been opened
I open the website http://www.youtube.com
I type in to their search engine:

“Taser Student”

And I see the practice is normal – so that is all okay then.

Funniest thing I have seen in years.

“Help! Help! I’m being repressed”

Listen up!! Mr. Meyer may be a person that is seeking attention; however it does not constitute getting put to the ground, cuffed or tased. I may or may not agree with his views. I do agree with the fact that he has the right to say them. In this day in age, in this society that we call home, in the land of the free, we demand the right to speak freely. I am a patriot in every sense of the word. I and others have fought for the very freedom that Mr. Meyer was denied. Senator Kerry is a grown man and can handle a debate. This is what politicians do. The local government, in this case, is undoubtedly wrong. There is a well published document I refer to from time to time. I would like to share with everyone a segment taken directly from that document. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” This document is one that I live by, The United States Constitution. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is very clear in what is says. Brothers and Sister, Fathers and Mothers, We need to speak up about our rights and listen to what everyone has to say. There are too many other things to worry about then a student expressing the things that he and others may find wrong with our government. We all have the right to choice our leaders and protectors. It is our responsibility to choice them wisely.

who cut the mic?

@Edd
In regards to the The First Amendment I refer you Supreme Court cases of Poling v. Murphy and Tinker v. Des Moines. They along with other similar cases state that there are some limitations to freedom of speech in a school setting.

@Mattie

What is the link to the longer version video you watched?

Andrew Meyer = Media Whore = Nothing More

i wouldn’t give kerry shit for this incedent at all. If you listen in the video kerry was all ready to to answer the question. He even said “that’s a very important question”. he even said he wish it hadn’t happened. don’t give kerry any trouble.

That sucks that Andrew got tased. He should have gotten the night stick instead. It’s obvious he was there to be a douche to Kerry and the audience. ANDREW WOULDN’T EVEN LET KERRY SPEAK OR ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS. Once everybody realized he was on a stupid rant, and he was told to stop, they brought the cops in. Then, Andrew gets even more obnoxious and out of control and starts resisting arrest. Andrew, you’re a media whore and your stupid website proves my point.

My guess is that Thomas Paine was also a media whore…………are all the students on SSRIs these days? Give me the sixties again, before they medicalized outrage and put everyone on Zoloft. Now we’re only allowed to express our anger if we “follow the rules” and stay behind the fence in the free speech zone……arrrrrgh!!!
I say, bravo Andrew and if I had been there I would have been defending your right to say exactly what you said. Honestly, when and where are people allowed to ask these questions? Certainly not in the MSM. Doesn’t anyone get that these 2-minute rules are meant to suppress dissent? Read Thomas Szasz, for starters. I feel so sad when people say that Andrew must be “off his meds”. That’s right, we’re all supposed to take our meds so the government can get away with trashing the planet, while we’re busy watching O.J. Has anyone noticed how much air time O.J. has been getting……..to distract us from the real news, like what happened to Andrew Meyer?

I wonder if Andrew was singing in the back of the car “I fought the law, and the…LAW WON”

Thanks Alf, I’m glad you GOT IT. It doesn’t matter whether he wanted attention or not, what matters is this thing started because he asked the WRONG question. Conservative or liberal doesn’t matter either. This only confirms by view that liberal/conservative is mainly a smoke and mirrors thing. With that said, I still think Kerry was a piece of shit before this even happened.

The best beer I had was a dark German beer while at a concert for GI’s (Army guys). One guy I know went “drinking around the world.” That is, he went to every vendor of every different nationality of beer. The dude got sick. Related? No, just trying to loosen things up.

Wake up Americans, fight for your rights

Greetings from Germamy

@Thomas

Look at the Supreme Court cases I cited. His rights were not violated. If he feels like his rights were violated he should have gone about it in a rational manner and take the case to courts NOT fight the officers.

@Clark R.
Andrew got tased becasue he fought with officers not becasue he asked the wrong question.

Why do people assume that you must be right wing to see that this kid got what he deserved? I am a democrat and I still think he got what he deserved, this is not a speech issue, this is a ‘don’t resist the police’ lesson. Wake up! Your brain misses you!

I hope all UF students are not like this kid. I think they need to hold common sense classes…Oh Florida, you are always full of surprises!

Give Me Liberty or Tase Me, Bro!No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy John Kerry. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to John Kerry if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to his, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the Senator is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of secret societies or blowjobs; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense or being tasered, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. Thank you very much….I’m asking my question. I’m gonna inform people and then I’m asking my question.Mr. Kerry, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having disenfranchisement of black voters and electronic voting machines counting backwards and phoney, bogus stuff going on concede the election on the day? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of “Armed Madhouse” by Greg Palast. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the Bush administration for the last seven years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourself how if you were so against Iran, how come you weren’t saying, “Let’s Impeach Bush Now! Impeach Bush Now Before He Can Invade Iran!” Thanks for cutting my mic. Are you gonna arrest me? Excuse me! What are you arresting me for? Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Is anybody watching this??? Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Bleep Bush! Help! Help! Help! Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has John Kerry any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of police officers and tasers? No, sir, he has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the Bush administration have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try screaming or resisting police brutality? Sir, we have been trying that for the last seven years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before an auditorium full of people, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the Bush administration. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the University of Florida! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free– if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must vote! I repeat it, sir, we must vote! An appeal to arms and to the mass media is all that is left us!They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a Homeland Security guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by rolling onto our stomachs and being tased, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no electronic voting machines we can trust. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard at the University of Florida! The election is inevitable ­ and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace ­ but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or tase me, bro!

@Mike, yeah, he got tasered for resisting UPD. But this STARTED by him asking about skull and bones. I don’t want this happening to me should I ask Hillary or anyone else some type of question.

For everyone, Savage rules. http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs. I was surprised Savage thought the same thing.

Anyone that doesn’t follow Robert’s Rules of Order should be tasered and made to scream like a little school girl.

i wish they would have tased him more, that was hilarious and well worth it. That guy cries like such a bitch I love it.

“police brutality. rodney king. i’m a dumb faggot.”

@Lydia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

10 seconds in you see someone giving the ol’ “cut the mic” sign. He cut the mic.

@Clark

No, it STARTED when he started to fight. Being escorted did not lead him to being tasered, him fighting is what led to it.

And if you ask a question like a normal person instead of like a Dane Cook stand up routine, then you won’t be escorted out. But if you are escorted out, if you don’t fight you won’t be handled with force. But if you do fight and you are handled with force and continue to fight, and ignore the “You will be tasered if you continue to resist” warnings, twice, then you just may be tasered. Go figure!

Meyer got exactly what he deserved for being disruptive and refusing to leave the auditorium. His website http://theandrewmeyer.com/ has the headline “Andrew Meyer Arrested for Speaking at Kerry Forum” This was a question and answer session with John Kerry as the guest of the University of Florida, not the Andrew Meyer Show. He was arrested for being disruptive and refusing to leave when asked. Students were given a set period of time to ask their questions. Meyer used that time to make a long statement being disrespectful to Kerry and the audience while being self righteous and obnoxious. It is obvious that he was there to get attention for himself. He should have his own press conference if he wants to do that. He was asked to leave by the moderator and if he would have left on his own, none of this would have happened. He chose to resist and make a scene out of it. It should not have taken four or more officers, including some pretty big guys to remove Meyer. It did and he got tasered. Why should officers allow themselves to be harmed because some pompous idiot wants to get some publicity? Unfortunately, Meyer got exactly what he wanted and will share the national spotlight with much more serious issues like the ‘Jena 6′. He does not deserve any of this attention, this is not a free speech issue. If you want to protest do it over something that deserves a protest, and there are plenty, not this idiot…. Go back to class or find another issue.
Rick

I would have totally pushed those officers off of him, im not afraid of being tasered. infact it kinda turns me on. these cops would have had a lot more to deal with than him if i was there. Susan, were you the girl screaming, “What are you doing?” if you were, that was very brave of you and a great model for americans. thankyou! Im glad this is getting so much attention… no matter what happens, it’s not only a wake-up call to freedom of speech, police brutality, and cowardness, but his questions were well informed and worthy of answere…

Thanks Ron. I know about Skull & Bones, though not as much as you do. What I meant was, I’d like to hear Kerry’s answer. Just to see what kind of bullshit he would come up with I guess. A self-indulgence on my part & irrelevant anyway.

Want the REAL truth of what happened.

Read this blog. How he dissects the videos…and the way this guy was acting.

It was an act for attention, nothing more.

http://www.neoconnews.com/2007/09/18/tasered-mess-a-complete-dissection-so-far/

The tasering of University of Florida student Andrew Meyer 21, Tuesday looks like a B.F. Skinner experiment designed to let the mice know they will receive a painful shock if they raise sensitive political topics in public.

On the other hand, if they are docile or supportive, like the students who cheered when Meyer was dragged away, they will continue to get their food and sex.

I don’t know if this incident was staged. I want to believe it wasn’t. But on some unseen signal, campus cops lunged at Meyer when he mentioned Kerry’s membership in “Skull and Bones” and brandished a copy of Greg Palast’s book “Armed Madhouse,” which stated Kerry actually had won the election.

Meyer’s questions were extremely relevant. He asked Kerry why he conceded the 2004 Presidential election the same day in spite of numerous voting irregularities. “Didn’t you want to win?” Meyer demanded.

Meyer was implying that Kerry might have thrown the election because he belonged to the same Illuminati secret society as Bush.

When he was grabbed, he said, “Get away from me. I want to hear the answer.”

Meyer was dragged away shouting, “Help! Help! What did I do? What did I do?”

Then he pleads with the officers: “Don’t taser me bro’” He offers to “walk out of here” if they’ll only let him go. Then we hear him scream with pain “Ow..ow..ow…ow!”

Kerry’s respect for the public and commitment to free speech was evident from his response. While Mayer was manhandled and tasered, Kerry droned on about how he wanted to answer this important question. He even made a joke of it: “Unfortunately [Meyer] is not available to swear me in as President.”

John Kerry’s online communication director, who was at the event, recalls Meyer’s entrance (I don’t expect some of you to take the word of a dreaded neocon at face value):

… there was a long line of people waiting to ask questions, and Meyer was near the back. He rushed up to the mic, butting up past many, many kids and making a scene. Apparently he’d been talking with the police and they were arguing long before Meyer ever got to the mic (reports from Florida are that they threatened him with arrest already). That’s why there are police in the video when you first see it… Meyer was rude to his fellow students, obnoxious, and physically resisting police, but you never, ever want to see anyone get tasered.

So we have Kerry campaign officials affirming that Meyer blew past many other students who had been patiently waiting, effectively violating their free speech rights, if you choose to look at it that way.

Meyer was not silenced for referencing “Skull and Bones”. Seconds earlier he had demonstrated his class by bringing up the tired leftist line that goes “well, if Clinton was impeached for a blowjob…” The most logical explanation is that using language wasn’t kosher with the event organizers and heavily contributed to their patience with Meyer wearing so thin.

http://www.neoconnews.com/2007/09/18/tasered-mess-a-complete-dissection-so-far/

http://www.onebigdog.net/update-on-tazed-florida-student-the-interview/

After I posted I received a comment from Tyler Antar who was at the forum and he indicated that what everyone is reporting is not what actually happened and he offered to be interviewed about the incident. I sent him some questions so that he could clear up the items that are unclear and to let us know what actually happened. Despite what some of the people who visit here would have you believe, I believe in the truth and will report it regardless of what it is (so long as it is credible). Here is the interview with Tyler about Andrew Meyer:

BD: Did he threaten Kerry or not leave after his turn?

Tyler: This is probably the most important piece that the video did not cover. While Senator Kerry was answering a student’s question about Iraq, Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in tail. No one knew what was going on at that point and I’m sure the cops were looking at the worst case scenario (does he have a gun? a bomb?). They eventually grabbed Meyer who started shouting that Senator Kerry should answer his question because he stood in line for so long. He also said that the Senator should answer everyone’s question who was in line. Senator Kerry responded to the extent that he would try to get all the questions. Clearly he was trying to calm the student down (I can’t remember if it was Senator Kerry or a university official who said earlier that the Senator would only be taking three more questions, which meant that Meyer wouldn’t be able to ask his). The police grabbed Meyer who began to taunt the cops by saying “what, are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?” Senator Kerry asked the police to let him go and ask his question. They complied, and Senator Kerry began to finish answering the other student who had been rudely interrupted by Meyer’s antics. (This whole scenario is not on any video that I can find. There is a video on youtube that shows 2 police officers behind Meyer while he is giving his question. This first incident proves why they were standing behind him.)

BD: Was he a conservative or a liberal (or could you not tell)?

Tyler: From the questions he was asking, He would seem to be a liberal. However, I have no information about his official political status. Yet, just from looking at the questions we have:

asking Kerry why he didn’t contest the allegations of faulty voter machines and the vote discrimination in the State of Florida. Meyer kept mentioning how a book he was carrying actually named Senator Kerry as the President in 04′.
He asks why has Bush been impeached if Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job.
This is the strangest question of all. It seems that Meyer is Pro-Kerry at this point, but then he asks the Senator if he was part of the same Skull and Bones secret society at Yale as President Bush.
(It is possibly that Meyer is trying to say that Kerry conceded the election quickly because he was buddy-buddy with Bush) However, Meyer’s mic is cut off because he said “blow job” and the madness ensues.

**Tyler later emailed that Meyer’s Facebook profile indicates he is Libertarian**

BD: Were his questions insulting to Kerry?

Tyler: No, not really. However, Senator Kerry only answered his first question to the audience. In no way was Senator Kerry trying to use police force to get rid of the student. As I stated earlier, he literally pleaded with the officer to let go of Meyer and let him ask his question.

BD: Was this person a known threat on campus?

Tyler: No, not that I know of

BD: Was he disruptive at this event?

Tyler: Only from the time he rushed to the podium till he was eventually brought outside

BD: Do you think the police used excessive force?

Tyler: No. When Meyer rushed to the microphone, I only saw two cops (a guy and a girl). However, when Meyer constantly resisted arrest, they had to call in for backup. As far as I can tell 4 cops were stationed in the auditorium. 2 by Kerry’s stage and 2 at the entrance with more in the lobby.

BD: Do you believe it was necessary to taze this guy with 6 cops sitting on him?

Tyler: Yes, Meyer was told constantly to put his hands behind his back and comply. He was also warned that if he did not do this, he would be tasered. From the videos, we can not actually see if he complied or not before being tasered.

BD: If this were George Bush speaking and a liberal kid had this happen would it be viewed the same?

Tyler: These were University Cops at this event. Now if George Bush were to speak, he would [have] Secret Service with him. I don’t even want to know what would happen to that kid then. Remember, as far as I can tell, Meyer is a liberal and so is Kerry. Meyer was just cracked out it seems.

BD: Could this have been handled any better?

Tyler: Kerry could have shortened his speech a lot more and therefore given more time to respond to questions. Or maybe no speech at all! I mean the event was called the John Kerry Town Hall Forum. Does that not imply that the event is going to be a Q&A session instead of being filled with speeches? However, as a hardcore conservative I do respect Senator Kerry for trying to soothe the situation down as best he could. After he closed the forum, he stepped off stage to shake hands and signed autographs. I even got him to answer my question that I wanted to pose earlier had Meyer not gone nuts. I’m really surprised that Meyer was able to get away from the officers multiple times. The kid is not bursting with strength. Maybe that could have been handled better.

I think this is pretty telling in that the first part of the video is not included and that would have cleared a lot of this up. One has to ask why the person who took the video edited it out (assuming that a person with a video camera is taping Kerry and not waiting for a ruckus). Perhaps Meyer intended for this to take place or perhaps with the Virginia Tech murders, the police were hyper vigilant and were quick to react when he ran up. Maybe instead of being cracked up, Meyer is a truther. They can get pretty obnoxious. Tyler indicates that Kerry asked the police to leave Meyer alone and he [Kerry] would answer his question. I must retract my comment that Kerry said nothing (which is not present on the video shown) and commend him for trying to diffuse the situation. While it does not change my opinion of him, I believe in giving credit where it is due.

Tyler indicates that he does not think excessive force was used and he was there so I cannot dispute what he saw. From what I saw on the video it seems that the police could have taken this guy into custody without shocking him. Another witness who was sitting in the back row indicated that the student was already cuffed when he was shocked (and Tyler said that was not clear to him). In either case, it was a bit much for this one little fellow. Certainly six cops can handle one kid. Now that I have the rest of the story I am inclined to say that this kid should not win any kind of lawsuit but that, in exchange for no suit (for the excessive force) the school can drop the charges and they can all get on with their lives. The police in DC did not shock anyone and they arrested nearly 200. Perhaps the police here can review their policy on when it is appropriate to shock someone.

I am glad that Tyler was able to clear this up and provide us with a first hand account of the events.

Thanks Tyler. Please keep us up to date with how this gets handled.

@wh
yes, he asks not to be tasered and to walk out BUT at that point he’s still fighting them! His actions don’t match his words. He gets what he wants and what he deserves. It’s despicable that he’s getting all the publicity he wanted out of this.

Also, why didn’t Kerry take the opportunity to answer the questions Meyer asked while or after Meyer was being removed? I’d like to hear the answers too. The dems keep claiming that the CIA information was cooked by the administration so why haven’t we had hearings with the dems having the majority in the house and senate? It’s politics! Neither party has the backbone to do what’s right because of politics and their perception on what would happen to them if they did have hearings. Like Meyer, their actions don’t match their words.
rick

He got what was coming to him, although the tazing was totally uncalled for. He never asked a question, he just wanted a podium for which to give his own opinion; that’s what blogs are for. He was lecturing at a place that wasn’t his to lecture from, they tried to stop him by cutting the mic, he didn’t stop, he just kept talking, when they asked him to leave he fought back and the cops did their job removing him from the building. Again, the tazing was way out of line and the police should be punished for that.

Oh Officer Mke are you back again today? Didn’t we learn anything yesturday. Be careful, we may have to teach you a few more lessons about yourself. (We have already learned about your feelings of failure and inadequacy toward yourself yesturday.) Now we have the entire psycology department here at UCLA including the staff and graduate students observing you. You are a god study. Thank you for your participation.

A god study?

Thanks

Or did you fail at typing “good”?

I appologize for my grammer. I am an exchange student from Belgum and have only been typing in English for 11 months. Keep it up we like you here.

All these comments and what will come of it… not one thing. Well, maybe it will give those poor weakminded individuals that think Andrew was right to vent and reflect… sort of like LSD for the soul.

Usually when you ask somebody in college why they are there, they’ll tell you it’s to get an education. The truth of it is, they are there to get the degree so that they can get ahead in the rat race. Too many college radicals are two-timing punks.
- Abbie Hoffman

Hello Mr. Meyer,
 
Let me start by introducing myself. I went to school directly across the street from the Rodney King Trial. My friends and myself attacked the KKK representative that brought his own podium, microphone, 250 watt P.A. and mixing board with a 5 H.P. Honda generator to power it all, set up and stood in the middle of the courthouse steps and spoke for 9 hours while 113 police officers bearing full riot gear stood around him and protected him the entire time he spoke. Needless to say we were tasered and maced.
 
My friends and I were present in the courthouse when the officers that beat Rodney King were exonerated.
 
My friends and I were present in Los Angeles throughout the entire Los Angeles Revolution; I’m sorry riot (I must be politically correct here.)
 
We participated and observed the first real attempt at full scale American Revolution in hundreds of years.
 
So this is just a small taste of the background in which I approach you.
 
Knowing this; Please, I repeat PLEASE read this carefully.
 
YOU ARE THE TORCH BEARER.
 
Once every so many years God (or whatever energy in this universe that represents that which we choose to label God) chooses a single torch bearer. They do not come around to often and they are obviously coming in far greater intervals as we choose to ignore them more and more.
 
These torch bearers have the torch for a very limited time and usually (in the name of emotion, dramatics, fear and loss of momentum) drop the ball.
 
PLEASE DON’T DROP THE BALL ON THIS ONE MY FRIEND.
 
The whole world has it’s attention on you. I know this is a lot to ask and it is a ridiculously enormous responsibility to take on, but you started something must finish.
 
This may change the whole coarse of the world. People are watching you in small villages in Africa and in London, Paris, Moscow, Beijing.
 
You are the one.
 
That being said; you not only need the best JEWISH lawyer money (at least your money if not other peoples money; remind me to get into that later.)
 
BUT you also need a DETACHED ADVISER (I would be honored to have this position and am more than well equipped to handle it if you so choose.)
 
FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT: You need to get your student body to stop trying to force the university to change their policy and to drop the charges.
 
You need to go to court on this. The exposure is much needed. Do not worry; you will never be prosecuted or do any time on this. I know this. There is no jury in the world that would unanimously come together with a guilty vote on this; think about it.
 
In fact you should encourage the P.D. to go ahead with the charges.
 
I know right away you may think I am a nut, but the more exposure the better on this. You need to make them fell like the idiots they are, they fucked up and they got caught, now they simply need to pay for the crime.
 
Hopefully you are still reading. Please bear with me on this. This is more important than you will ever realize.
 
SECOND AND AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT: Don’t lose the momentum on this thing. Do your best to keep it going. The people you are dealing with are MASTERS at killing momentum. In fact 99% of law enforcement training is based on diffusion of momentum. It is key in killing these issues and pacifying the masses.
 
Please go into this knowing you are dealing with people that are not only professionals but completely detached from the emotion. This is the clincher. When you are detached and non-emotional it is more than 100 times easier to deal with and diffuse these things. (Make them just go away.)
 
I know am being very brief and to the point but I am trying to get the keys in your hand so we can move through this quickly and easily.
 
After all this exact moment is key in the momentum (sorry I keep using that word, but it is the key to this thing.)
 
THIRD AND AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT: DON’T LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT!!!!
Yes freedom of speech and yes the right not to be assaulted by a civilian “law enforcement agency” BUT: YOU HIT THEM EXACTLY WHERE IT HURTS MY FRIEND.
You brought up the Bones and the cloud of Politics (funny the word politics is Latin for many blood-sucking insects).
 
You asked the question in a public forum in what just happened to be the right place and right time THE QUESTION that 10’s of millions of us out here have been literally dying to ask our entire miserable existences. YOU DID IT.
 
So in keeping with the need to keep this timely I am going to leave you here. (There is much more). But please deeply consider this letter and these points. And please seriously consider (and hopefully act on the Jewish Lawyer and having myself as an adviser; I would be willing to fly out with a small team if need be.)
 
LASTLY; BREATHE, STAY GROUNDED, DON’T LOSE TRACK OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL, MOVE LIKE A BLACK CAT THRU A DARK ALLEY.
 
                                                   YOU WILL SUCCEED

                                                  
                                                    YOU CANNOT FAIL.
 
 
 
 
 

This is completely fucking insane!!
If we don’t stand up now they this country is gone.

freeandrew.com

THIS IS TRULY AMAZING: TYPE IN SKULL AND BONES ON YOUTUBE.COM IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND…

I don’t know if this has been posted, but this really tells the whole story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM

Little priveleged Andrew got what he deserved!! Your mommy and daddy cant save you now. Next time follow the rules!! Leftist students are not above the law!

ANDREW MEYER IS A BIG MORON AND IDIOT TO THE NTH DEGREE! I’M GLAD HE GOT TASERED. HIS ACTIONS CAUSED IT AND HE BROUGHT IT UPON HIMSELF!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT FREE SPEECH AS SOME PEOPLE STATE – THIS IS ABOUT CONDUCT AND HOW YOU EXPRESS YOUR FREE SPEECH IN A PUBLIC FORUM.

IF I WAS THERE AND ANY OF THE OFFICERS NEEDED HELP, I WOULD HAVE GLADLY MANHANDLED THAT FOOL.

ANDREW MEYER I HOPE YOU READ THIS TOO, YOU JACKA$$! I DON’T KNOCK YOU FOR YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK. I KNOCK YOU FOR YOUR IDIOTIC CHILDISH BEHAVIOR LIKE A KID SEEKING ATTENTION… PLUS YOU DON’T LOOK ALL THAT TOUGH, DUDE.

Hey this is a outrage!
I might be up here in Canada but the message is loud and clear “good bye free speech, hello police state of fear”
Why didn’t a mass of people protect this guy, sure its the cops and I guess they would be forced to start killing people, but holy shit!

Sorry to see this happen, and a I would like the Andrew to know that he has fans around the world. (aside for any Gov. people that like that kind of think)

Hey Jim Duggan, you must have the imagination capacity of a camel. You posted an anti Meyer rant at 9,48 pm and then the very same rant some 14 hours later. Cutting and pasting is fun isn’t it??

@Ant Sharman, sam and wh: Suffice to say that when I speak about Skull & Bones, it is from an educated viewpoint. I have listed 7 books which I have read in a previous post to show this. Having said that, please let me explain something to you & people on this forum. The reason why Kerry did not want to get involved in Meyers manhandling is that he was secretly pleased that he did no have to answer the question put to him, just as he avoided answering the same question put to him by Tim Russert. I dont know for sure if the signal came from Kerry (I have no evidence of that) but I feel that for the reason I mentioned, that it is true, and most probable reason for it is that the fact is that it is 100% guaranteed TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE for 2 Bonesman to campaign against each other. It would just NEVER come to pass that it would occur because the high ranking Bonesmen who call the shots, would never let that scenario get legs in the first place. Kerry was merely there to “make up the numbers” as it were. He was never going to win. There are no Democrats in S&B. At the time of the election and now, it is a case of 1 party masquerading as 2.

btw….Alexandra Robbins (just like david Icke) is a disinformation agent. I know this because I have read her book and her inconsistencies and double talk abound.

Ron…You need help my friend.

Hey Ron, cutting and pasting is fun sometimes man, come on you remember them preschool days, don’t bum us out!! But seriously thanks for the book ref. post. Have you checked out all the bones on youtube?

Good question Andy
Makes me remember the 60’s in Amstersam, besides our students would have attacked the police in such a case. These few idiots would not have a a piece of a chance to arrest one.
Best luck, Pieter

None of you guys know the whole story. He wasn’t going to get escorted out because of his talk about conspiracies and the like. Read the police report. He wasn’t even supposed to be up there in the first place. The event was coming to an end, but he took the liberty to go out of line and jump to the mic and decide to talk, even though Kerry was wrapping it up and about to leave. Then he didn’t even get to the point, talking for quite some time. You see in this video one of the police officers telling him to get to the question. It was this, coupled with his choice of inappropriate vocabulary (“blowjob”) that made whoever was in charge tell the cops to escort him out. He was arrested for resisting. There is no violation on the freedom of speech here. You all need to look into the story instead of judging based on edited clips.

Ya preach it sista!! He had full freedom of speech. He had no right to be up there. The officers had every right to shock the little pig fucker..In fact they shoulda hog tied his ass, carried ‘em out to the courtyard lynched ‘em and burned him at the stake. Using terrible profanity like the word “blow job” on a good clean college campus like this one. Oh the crimes of humanity. Us good christians have never heard terrible words like that and never want to again.. We will find a way to silence all of you pegans!!!

@RON – AS YOUR NAME GOES, ‘MO-RON’, CUTTING AND PASTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT BEING CREATIVE… YOU’RE JUST A BEING AN ASS-ANT WITH ME BECAUSE I DID IT SO TAKE YOUR SKULL/BONES ELSEWHERE. WHATEVER, DUDE.

WHY DON’T YOU REDUCE YOUR NAME-CALLING AND CONTINUE TO SPEAK ON YOUR POINT OF VIEWS? GOOD TRY ON YOUR ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS KERRY’S SIGNAL OF NOT WANTING TO ANSWER ‘MEYER-BOY’S’ QUESTION, BUT YOU DO NEED HELP, MY FRIEND.

I HOLD NO HATE FOR ANY PERSON, BUT A LOT OF ACTIVIST FOLKS AND THEIR OPINIONS REGARDING FREE SPEECH ARE SO FAR-FETCHED THAT HONESTLY, I HOLD ‘LITTLE TO NO’ RESPECT FOR YOU OR WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE YOUR EDUCATED RESPONSES. YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN AND TRASH-TALK ALL YOU WANT, BUT I WILL ALWAYS BE ‘BEHIND THE SCENES’ TO SUPPORT THE VERY ANTITHESIS OF POINTS THAT ARE SACRED TO YOU.

NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POINT OF VIEW, I THINK ALL BELIEVE THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS FOR ALL – THE DIFFERENCE IN VIEWPOINTS IS THAT IT’S HOW YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF IN ACCORDANCE TO THE ESTABLISHMENT RULES IN YOUR EXPRESSION OF SPEECH. YOU VIOLATE RULES (AND/OR THE LAW), YOU SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.

I WON’T ADDRESS THE FACT OF WHETHER TASERING WAS OUT OF LINE OR NOT (ALTHOUGH, MY OPINION ONLY IS THAT HE DESERVED – OTHERS WILL DISAGREE). THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT DISCUSSION ON THIS BLOG.

…BUT THE FACT REMAINS, YOU ABUSE THE RULES OR THE LAW (AND I’M NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER), YOU PAY THE PRICE.

USA=BUSH=DICTATURE

Mr. Duggan.
There is a button on the left side of your keyboard. It says ‘caps lock’ and has an itsy bittsy little light on it, sometimes it’s green sometimes red, you can push it and it changes your letteres to small ones. These letters are called lower case. This is the way we learn to use the keyboard in that one class we attended back in 7th grade.

Police violence is just one aspect of the chilling effect.

Mr. Meyer may not have said what you would have said, but at least he insisted on denying the memory hole. Wake up all you “good germans” clapping and laughing as he’s handcuffed and tased twice AKA Tortured)

Support the Troops: Fight for your Rights Too

If I was this guy, I would get the name of the officer that taser me, get a taser, wait till he’she is alone and then taser him/her around 10 times (no more than 3-5 secs each time). If they like to taser students then they MUST love being tasered.

It is shameful that college students have been so conditioned as to just sit there. There were a few students standing up for Andrew. The biggest kick though is the head protester himself Kerry said “Alright… officers” LOSER COWARD!!!!!!!

I wish I could have been there to.I would have had his back.To bad that most of these Students aren’t aware as to when to stand up or know when their freedoms are being violated.Did Spineless ever answer.2 sides of the same coin,except Ron Paul

I go to UF. I know why people didn’t stand up for him. He was completely out of line. Have you guys even seen the whole video? Read the police report? I bet a majority of you haven’t. Maybe you should before you start forming opinions. There was no violation of freedom of speech, but I’m not going to explain this all over again. It’s on my last post.

To all those folks that are still intent on blaming Andrew for resisting and saying he got what he deserved and total BS like that, Check this out… Andrew did not physically resist until the little short fat cop to Andrew’s right escalated the situation. He employed a very painful looking joint lock to Andrew’s right arm. Andrew snatched away and began hopping around and flailing his arms. It can be seen as plain as day. ( Check it out at the :19 second mark at youtube.com/watch?v=vvrWt_dHAT4. The cop put Andrew’s arm in the lock and dropped his weight. Dropped his weight so low that his chin was touching Andrew’s arm . If someone inflicted this kind of action on your arm, you would pull away too, if you knew that you had not done anything illegal or severe enough to deserve this kind of treatment. Andrew also was reacting to Mr. Kerry addressing him, saying that he wanted to answer the young man’s very important questions and wanting to answer his questions. Andrew was probably confused and piss’d as to why he was being hurt and treated in the manner the cops chose to. The cops then got even rougher. They then had him down and subdued. It did not look like the tazer was necessary at that point. Several cops… and one loudmouth punk? He was accosted and brutalized by the cops. Come on now! I hope Andrew gets really good legal representation to Nail Those Cops Balls To The Wall. They need to lose their jobs and the University needs to be held accountable also. Only law enforcement types and Non-thinking, Brainwashed, Facist Fucks will try to defend what those cops did to that young man. Think about this people -for all of our sakes.

AMANDA
I go to UF also: Please read Hunter’s earlier post directed at you, he is also a UF journalism senior.

Review ALL pertinent clips at you tube… some are quite extensive. The police report will definitely be what the cops want it to say, covering their asses. So, Andrew jumped in line and was a rude, rambling punk. He finally got to the point and made it. He even went too far, but to say that he deserved to be, caused physical pain for no reason, while being escorted away, causing him to pull away, then brutalized and tazed. Do you folks out there really think this is ok? Oh, BTW Amanda, were you there? Student, Admin or Cop?

Mr. ‘im an idiot’ (as your name implies):

Geez louise! Thank you for that bit of 7th grade education!

MY MAIN PURPOSE FOR CAPS LOCK IS TO BE VISIBLE ON THE BLOG IN CONTRAST TO YOU lowercase sentences.

C’MON, MAN, BE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTFUL THAN THAT, DUDE. SHEESH… “the way we learn to use the keyboard in that one class we attended back in 7th grade”… GOOD ONE, AND UNLIKE YOURSELF AND AS YOUR SIGNATURE NAME SUGGESTS, I AM NOT AN IDIOT.

@Jim Duggan, I wasn’t name calling. Just trying to be funny at your expense, thats all. Is that so bad for you to shout at me with caps lock on? Would a taser have hurt less?

@Hunter, thanks man. I hope you can use the refs to go out to search/buy some of them as they will open your mind (and your 3rd eye) to the reality of the world we live in, as opposed to what we are told by the media, people who have no credentials on the www but say they know and pseudo-intellectuals on popular culture sites like youtube etc… (yes, I checked out Bones on there, some of its OK)).

The reality is that only extensive, academic studies like the books I quoted (and The Broken Cross – Piers Compton), will yield any real enlightenment and so at least when you and people like me make a comment on here, we can back it up with references, unlike some others who shout but say little.
One more comment before I bore you all to tears: That John Kerry, with an activist background and all, did not get involved in stopping the manhandling of Meyer is partially attributable to the fact that he is now a victim of his swearing to uphold the machinations of the NWO, under pain of Death. That threat of Death is VERY real. He may have wanted to help Meyer, because he is not a bad guy in reality, but could not, for his fear of the consequences of such had overwhelmed him at the time. That and the very possible notion that he is a victim of Monarch-type mind control/programming.

Hey Ron,
From all your research on this you must have some idea on why there has been no search warrant or even descent investigation done on these folks, I’ll tell you what if these guys set up shop on the USC or UCLA campus that been cruisin for a bruisin.
I mean witnesses have directly accusing them of grave robbery and stealing license plates. I mean folks have seen this stuff. What’s really going on here?

I’ve looked at a lot of the video on this and one angle in particular got me wondering. This angle showed the cops and a man in a suit with something around his neck like an id badge. Watching this man carefully it can be seen that it was him that told the cops to move on Andrew. Most cops operate on a chain of command. This man was the one doing the commanding. When Andrew went on a bit longer than they liked, this man leaned over and told one of the female cops to deal with it. She then goes over and says something to him. Andrew says that he just wants to ask his question. When he got to the “blow job” part, this man cranes his neck towards the back of the room and connects with someone and makes a gesture. Right then the mic was cut and then the cops were unleashed. Who was this man? I suspect he was with the Kerry people. This was a disgusting display of arrogance and abuse of power. Andrew’s only crime was not taking a breath and letting some of his questions get answered. He was getting over passionate with a non ending stream of questions. Nevertheless, Kerry could have easily diffused the situation with some humor, although I think that it’s possible that he completely lacks this facility. Somehow the forum should have had a moderator and a good one. Not a bully or a censor, but an interface with whoever was speaking and the questioner. This way they could have settled Andrew down a bit and let Kerry answer some of those questions. Indeed, many of us would have liked to have asked those questions. It would have been semi-interesting to see what kind of bullshit Kerry would have come up with. Our country needs more people like Andrew. It needs passionate people that question the powerful and don’t let go until they get a satisfactory response. Most political forums do not allow any real questioning and most answers are vague and evasive. Most media monitors from the big corporate media firms then just move it along. Nothing really satisfies and in the end we all feel empty. That is if you are watching. The fact that few are speaks volumes for the failure of our system to live up to its stated ideals.

His questions were statements and his statements were correct. Kerry did win the election. Kerry wouldn’t dream of impeaching Bush because they’re from the same club. Not only does he get tortured for being right (and right to be pissed off, too) he gets called a joker by our mainstrem media, who is real busy dummying down the average Joe. Hey Andrew, keep your chin up. It’s lonely at the top. Again out of step, little friend, ahead of the curve.

Please go to the Gainsville Sun and look at the new video, see if his right to free speech was hindered in any way. All I see are officers letting him speak and the officers only act when an organizer asks the officers to remove him. The Andrew decides to be an ahole and resist. If he had gone calmly, he probably wouldn’t have set 1 second in jail

Wo there Jay boy, we are not a nation of folks that do everyone with a uniform asks us to do. That defies the entire essence of what how this nation was formed and what this nation and it’s people stand for. Watch out my friend.

I’m so glad there’s so much controversy over how an out of line WHITE boy is actually disciplined, makes me miss the last time a WHITE boy got caned. If you guys are done worrying over the world’s problems to this one WHITE boy, why not spend a few moments to address the lives of 6 BLACK boys who are about to have their lives taken away from them, support the JENA 6 you selfish bastards.

Ms M

Umm, he was experience physical pain before being tasered? Really? That is why he was pulling away? Or did he, just maybe, by all of the extensive videos ytou claim to have watched, pull away several times and THEN he got volted?

If you really watched any videos you would see it. There was no harm in them escorting him, any roughness was caused by him trying to break free..leading to him being pinned to the ground, and then he fought more, and then he was warned (twice!), and then he fought even more, and then when he *finally* realized that they were not playing his game when he saw the taser come out he begged like a bitch not to be tasered (a little too late “bro”, might I add), and then he was shocked!

And then we all laughed!

Try again.

Thanks

Ha ha!! The dumbass got what he deserved.

USA = communist = no freedom of speech = going to hell

To Misplaced:

Take your racist lies elsewhere. 6 blacks beat a white boy unconcious and the black spin machine cranks out lies.

You blacks need to learn how to function within a civil society. Act like animals – face the consequences.

The Jena 6 deserve all the prison time they get.

we have to organize all over the country – this is insane…this shows the turning point – we are officially a policed state – a currupt police that loves brutality and abuses power

is this thing on?

Misplaced:

I support the Jena 6. I support them going to prison where they belong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

Misplaced – are you kidding? Those 6 are as innocent as O.J. Simpson. Then again, racists like you don’t care about justice.

I hope they go to prison for a long time and end up becoming their cellmate’s girlfriends.

Andrew didn’t get tased for asking a question, he got tased for fighting with the police, they probably would have let him go if he just walked out when he should have. They didn’t get violent till he did. He was acting irrationally from the beginning, he wouldn’t even let Kerry (idiot) answer his question. I think they should have let him finish though, I would have liked to hear the answer. And I really do believe in freedom of speech, just don’t be an idiot about it. I agree that we don’t have as much freedom as we think we do. Still, I’m not sure how everyone thinks this is becoming a police state, arm yourselves then, the same people complaining about America becoming a police state are also fighting gun control, figure that one out….

read more…
You people that hate your country? just leave….
If you see a problem don’t bitch, fix it. I’m sick of people hating the USA. That must be miserable, I love my country. I don’t agree with everything that goes on here, I think Washington doesn’t have a clue, but I still love this country.

FREEDOM, FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE I MOTHERLESS CHILD SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE A MOTHERLESS CHILD SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE A MOTHERLESS CHILD A LONG LONG WAY FROM MY HOME! ANDREW MEYER MY FREIND IF YOU READ THIS KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT NO ONE IN THAT ROOM WOULD COME TO YOUR AID AS YOU YELLED FOR HELP AND YOU WERE ALL ALONE BUT NOW LOOK HOW MANY FREINDS THAT HAVE YOUR BACK!! ANDREW YOU WOKE THAT SLEEPING TIGER UP BABY AND HER NAME IS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA . WHAT WOULD WE BE WITH OUT OUR FREEDOM THAT WAS GRANTED EVERY MAN WOMEN AND CHILD OF THIS COUNTRY FOREFATHERS . IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK A PUBLIC SERVANT LIKE JOHN KERRY A QUESTION IF YOU ARE TO BE AFAID THAT YOU MIGHT BE ARESSTED AND TEASERED FOR ASKING A QUESTION THEN ALL THE MEN THAT HAVE DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY DIED IN VAINE THEN OUR COUNTRY IS NO LONGER THE COUNTRY THAT I WAS BORNED IN THIS IS SOMETHING ELES WE HAVE LOST OUR FREEDOM WAKE UP PEOPLE

@ hunter. I can explain the answer to your Q. this way. Skull&Bones is in the top 10 most powerful most prestigious fraternal orders in the Western world with people in very hight places in society and in corporate America and and so that alone would make it difficult to have an unbiased investigation into them as a group.

The secrecy and security that surrounds its members is another thing but the most obvious reason to my way of thinking is that many or all of the members overlap with some Order or another of the Freemasons and many of the top cops that would be organising any such investigation are high ranking Masons themselves, so nothing concrete would ever get done due to nepotism and The Brotherhood coming into play.
Simple as that.

According to many people here they say that it was not the S&B question that triggered the cops response but some comment about a blowjob. THis is untrue as you can clearly see in the video. IT is only after he asks about S&B involvment do the cops move in. I dont recall even hearing the word blowjob. So what anyway? If Kerry went to serve in Vietnam, and see such violence and injury/death, I’m sure a word from a persons mouth is not going to upset him. If he watches cable tv or watches most any mainstream action movie he will have heard that word or worse. THis is 2007 not 1957. He obviously seemed like he wanted to answer the question anyway, making the blowjob comment a moot point for those who say it was a trigger.

Unbelievable… the officers were completely out of line to arrest this student. And John Kerry stood right there when he could have stopped it if he had just spoken up. I guess the student had a point! John Kerry doesn’t have a backbone at all or he would have told the moderator and officers to allow the the guy’s question/comment and then given a reply. This guy was not acting violent nor did he have a weapon of any kind. He was wanting to make his point and hear an honest response from Kerry. He was not trying to incite a riot. That is absolutely ridiculous… In fact the audience seemed to disagree with his sentiment… so when did “unpopular speech” become outlawed? And when were the police given the right to restrict someone’s speech and then drag them away in a public forum? If the KKK can stand in a town square with a bullhorn in hand a spew hatred, and if hate-filled homophobes can hold signs that read “GOD HATES FAGS!” while picketing the funeral of a young boy beaten to death because he was gay, then this young man should have every right to speak his opinion in this public forum where microphones and time in the agenda have been made available for the public to do just that.

Oh come on Ron are you telling me that there’s not one good lawyer or philanthropist out there that would take ‘em on just for kicks?

@ hunter, – heehee…yeah. You’re prob. right. BUt there wouldn’t be many of them to choose from for it would only be those ones that fell inbetween the cracks. Its odd that I still can laugh at such a subject as an org. made up of scumbag, reptilian-like people.
I am refering to S&Bonesmen, not lawyers……..but then again………

If he is being charged with “resisting arrest,” then what were they doing arresting him in the first place? He went from asking his question to saying “why are you arresting me?”- they didn’t waste any time jumping in an trying to arrest him. They can’t arrest him for asking questions, he might have been loud but he was completely non-violent. It’s just a circular argument, “we arrested him because he resisted arrest” hmm. something wrong with that. He didn’t even fight back, he was just trying to get away, not to hit anyone, so there goes their “fighting arrest with violence” claim. Not to mention there is never need for tasering a non-armed, non violent person in HANDCUFFS, when there are 4-5 police ON HIM. Stupid cops should be sued and fired.

Europe is awaking too.
A spanish report of this tragic event:
http://elproyectomatriz.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/estudiante-torturado-por-preguntar/#comment-4897
Thank you Andrew, you’re special.
Watch Zeitgeist, the movie.

Man, Andrew I hope that someone is in a world of hurt for this act of police brutality. There is no need to try to arrest somebody for asking a simple question, and John Kerry even tried to answer the question! what a load of crap. I’m supporting you Andrew.

What is really behind this reaction:
http://elproyectomatriz.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/especial-11/
9-11 Was an Inside Job.
Re-open investigation

I know that this shit is far to common but you have every piece of supporting evidence on your side. You were needlessly abused and tortured on film which is now free and accessible evidence and proof to thousands upon thousands of viewers of what our country prioritizes and protects. I have lost all hope for this country and I have been suffering under the delusion that my rights and opinions were still somewhat protected. This is fascism disguised under a paper thin veil. I wish you well in your court case between you and these motherfuckers but even your victory in court would be little comfort to the rest of us who agree and support y